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Green anaconda researcher, a couple questions...

redhed Dec 05, 2003 08:50 PM

Hi there,

I just joined this forum, and I have a couple questions. I study green anacondas in Venezuela and elsewhere (partly funded by National Geographic), and am curious about a few things. We've caught over 800 from our natural history and breeding research, and it's fascinating, but always more to learn:

- does anyone have really large females, and if so, how long, and how did you measure them? any idea how old they are (minimum)?

- for anyone who has bred greens, what clutch size did your larger females have?

- for breeders, what has been one of the biggest difficulties regarding any aspect of breeding? (re. babies, mating, mortalities, or anything...)

thanks!! I really appreciate any answers you can provide. Here's a photo of one of the larger girls we caught, she had eaten a caiman last time we caught her. She's about 4.4 m. Hope the photo isn't too big, I tried to reduce it...

Renee

Replies (9)

dfr Dec 06, 2003 01:13 AM

` I keep Notaeus, so I don't have any information for you. I just want to comment on the picture. It's great, but I've always been partial to this one. Great to see you on this forum.

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redhed Dec 06, 2003 01:17 AM

Thanks - for some reason my computer isn't showing about 75% of the images - I'll have to ask the forum manager why...

dfr Dec 06, 2003 01:34 AM

>>Thanks - for some reason my computer isn't showing about 75% of the images - I'll have to ask the forum manager why...

` I love that picture of you two walking together, carrying your work. It's here: community.webshots.com/s/image5/0/83/31/103408331hyZjZv_ph.jpg
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redhed Dec 06, 2003 05:17 PM

Oh yeah, that's one of my favorites too (even though we're not married any more). That photographer was great, he did a whole story on us in this French magazine.

Here's another pic, me and Marion, a month before she gave birth, first time I helped catch her, by now she probably thinks she's a target for alien abduction, after impanting the transmitter.

Renee

JimmyDavid Dec 06, 2003 11:49 AM

I've been into big constrictors for some time now and recently i joinned these forums also, but now i'm amazed...was this last post from JESUS RIVAS himself?

redhed Dec 06, 2003 05:50 PM

Sorry, no, Jesus is my ex-husband. I did much of the research with him, along with studies of birds and giant otters, and some work with Orinoco crocodiles (National Geographic filmed that, too).

He is taking a hiatus from research to be a presenter for Nat'l Geographic. I work as a wildlife biologist here in California and Latin America, and teach when I can.

Renee Owens

Kelly_Haller Dec 06, 2003 04:26 PM

Renee,
I am very glad to see a researcher of your status on the forum. I was able to download a small part of Dr. Rivas's Ph.D. dissertation on your work with anacondas the other day, and found it to be outstanding. Both of your work in this area and in conservation education is highly commendable.

Myself and Jud McClanahan have been working with greens for some time now and have had good success with reproducing them the couple of times we have attempted it. As far as size of females, at the beginning of breeding attempts, both of them were 3.9 to 4.0 m and weighed 40 to 42 kg. Our measurements were fortunately much easier to take than with your field specimens, as both our females were tame enough to be allowed to stretch out full length along a wall to be measured without being restrained. The first female produced 6 live young, two full term stillborn young, and at least 22 unfertilized ova. I don't know the exact number of ova, as she was eating one as I approached the enclosure. The second female produced 28 live young, one fullterm stillborn, and no evidence of any unfertilized ova. The first female was 5 years, and the second female 6 years of age at the time of parturition. Our biggest problem was the low fertility rate seen with the first female. I would be interested to know if you have seen this in the wild caught females that gave birth at your field compound. Another question I had concerned the size of Jud's male that was used in both of the breedings. He is quite large for a male at 3.5 m and 29 kg. at 12 years of age. Have you ever found any males in the field that were of this size? I realize that the diet in captivity along with less energy use tends to produce larger animals, but only to a certain point. Your knowledge in the area of anaconda research is much appreciated and I'm sure there will be many other questions. Thanks,

Kelly

redhed Dec 06, 2003 05:45 PM

Thanks for the info!

It is very interesting to me to compare events and successes between wild and captive animals.

Yes, that's a huge male, we found some that size (near deeper water) but it is certainly not the norm in the Llanos. elsewhere, it could be; there is always the "researcher bias" of catching these animals: larger animals will be near, and in, deeper water, and we are typically limited to where we search by how shallow the water simply b/ if the water is too deep, they'll just swim away in a heartbeat, and are too hard to catch. The best chance to catch the real big ones is when they are basking, digesting (and part of them floats and is visible), or in a breeding ball, which are found in very shallow water or out of water. Also, large size is correlated to depth of water year-round, and the Llanos is highly seasonal, and dries up a lot, (unlike, say, an Amazon tributary)For example, we found our biggest snake in an igapo in eastern Ecuador, near a deep(er) river.

We did a lot of data collection on breeding, and even with the wild caught aniamls we did have problems, and are still pondering over what may be the cause. Usually, (thanks to the radio transmitters) we'd catch the female "just" before giving birth, which is a time window of about 1-2 months with these wild ones. We had some that gave birth to lot of stillborn, and a couple that never even gave birth, and so of course died (one was Zuca, an old favorite, about 5 m, very sad).

After assessing which ones did well and which ones didn't, I have a feeling a couple things are happening regarding being captive, but of course, we have no data of birth and mortality from wild births to compare anything to, to know anything for sure. But regardless, it appears that even though these girls are extremely hardy when it comes to healing injuries, they are rather sensitive to stressors during pregnancy. There seems to be a correlation between degree of handling and increased problems regarding birth and babies. Or, what may be happening is that "handling" (we caught them, put them in the enclosure, and left them alone) simply disrupts their natural behavior for a while, what with the enclosure; stress of being relocated, etc., and they bask less. We did worry sometimes that basking didn't seem as optimal as it should have been. (Then again, what is "optimal"?)Certainly, basking as much as possible is important for these females, and makes a big difference in baby mortality.

I do know one thing I can say for sure, although granted this may be less of a factor in captive, oft-handled females: the less handling while they are pregnant the better, to minimize stress and maiximize basking.

I don't know if this is common knowledge among breeders (not being a captive breeder myself), but the females do not eat throughout the entire pregnancy - risk of injury to the babies via injury from a bite of a prey (which is quite common, and leave significant scars) is too great. So, the females have adapted to being - or needing to be - quite fat before they breed. I could usually easily tell which ones were breeding, and which weren't, based on girth, even before mating. In the wild, this means that a female very rarely breeds 2 years in a row, it takes too long to build up body weight and fat to do so every year, especially without eating the ~ 7-8 or so months between mating and breeding, and the nergy it takes to produce so many babies.

I'm now writing an article on anaconda conservation, but intend to do another on breeding in the future,once I can do some work with the babies and transmitters, so this is interesting information for me, thanks!

Cheers,

Renee

Kelly_Haller Dec 06, 2003 08:30 PM

Renee,
Thanks for the reply. That's an excellent point you make on the stress and basking limitations produced by captivity in the field captured females. That could account for some of the low number of stillborns we have seen in our two litters. Our females are under relatively low stress, especially since being captive born, and have access to a temperature gradient over which they feel comfortable in choosing the optimum basking site at any given time. I know that it has been found in captive gravid boas that providing sub-optimum basking temperatures results in a dramatic increase in the number of stillborn young.

I make it a point to never handle any of my gravid pythons or boas for some of the reasons you stated. The pythons I have dealt with almost never feed while gravid, and the boas and anacondas will generally take small, pre-killed, prey items over roughly the first half of the gestation period before refusing to feed. I think they realize that they can feed without having to constrict and struggle with a live animal.

After the birth of this last litter, the female had lost 39% of her body mass, 7.75 kg in young, 1.9 kg in fluid loss during birth, and the rest in metabolic loss. I agree with you in that I would not think it possibly for a female to breed in two successive years with that degree of an energy deficit. A few months would not be near long enough to replace that much body mass. Thanks again for your reply, and I am most interested in your future breeding article.

Kelly

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