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Thanks for the help guys. My new baby milk frog is eating now and I couldn't be more relieved. Not that you haven't seen/kept others that look just like mine, but I thought I'd add a pic anyway.

Bet that was a relief Kevin; well done!
The juvenile colouration of these frogs is lovely isn't it? Reminds me of a black and white clown fish. I love the real cross hair irises of the immatures as well. Great photo and great frog!
Aparently they take a whle to mature, 2 and a half years is the reckoned time I heard. Whilst no one knows yet, that probably means they live a long time in captivity too.

Thanks. I love the way young ones look too, but I'm still excited about the color change. Is there a caresheet out there on these guys anywhere? I haven't been able to find much info. and it'd be good to have something to fall back on if I ever need it. For instance, mine seems fairly active during the day, though I assumed they were nocturnal. Also, it's not using its pvc tubes for hides-it never hides at all really. Oh, and I wanted to ask you guys, are they pretty clumsy hunters as babies? Took mine 2 tries to get the cricket and then it wrestled around with it for a while tring to shove it in its mouth. The cricket was definately small enough, but I remember reading something about some monkey frogs being very clumsy when young and wondered if these might be the same way. I also got some waxworms but they don't seem to interest it any. Thanks for any insight you guys can share.

Hi,

> Aparently they take a whle to mature, 2 and a half
> years is the reckoned time I heard.

according to JUNGFER & PROY:
males started calling after about 10-12 month
after about 12-15 they got the first clutches from the females

reference:
JUNGFER, K.-H. & PROY, C. (1998): Phrynohyas resinifictrix (Goeldi,1907), der Frosch, der seine Frau bei Vollmond ruft: Geschichte und Fortpflanzungsverhalten im Terrarium. herpetofauna 20(116): 19-29.

all the best,
Martin

Thanks Martin, I stand to be corrected. Dante Fenolio only made a prediction, and he was the first to breed these in captivity so other methods of rearing were probably developed since. Although, males of the vast majority of frogs mature at a much earler age than the females, so this time would be more correct for them.

But I do know that you don't necessarily have to provide a treehole simulator to get them to breed; many people have managed with just open water as with other frogs. So then again, not all studies like Fenolio's are conclusive lol.

Kevin: I have noticed the apparent clumsiness of these frogs as well, mine however were like this when too cool, they're now at 87F and feeding very well. However, they are nocturnal, so if your young one is moving around in the day I would provide more cover to allow it too feel secure enough to sleep. You should find he then dozes off. Try cork bark etc and plants (fake or real, as long as they are dense and have broad leaves). Otherwise he may be getting stressed and be subject to infection and subsequent illness.

Hope this helps!

Hello Rob,

> Dante Fenolio only made a prediction, and he was the first to breed these in captivity

Has been FENOLIO indeed the first who bred them? In his article (FENOLIO 1998) he writes:
"...The Amazonian milk frog was reproduced unter artificial conditions for the first time in October of 1997. ..."
but JUNGFER & PROY according to their article (JUNGFER & PROY 1998) bred and studied them some years before. They got some tadpoles from LUÍS SCHIESARI (he found them in a treehole in the "Adolfo Ducke" reservation, about 25 in the North of Manaus, Brazil) which finished their metamorphosis in March/April 1993. Since the middle of 1994 they reproduced regularely.

references:
FENOLIO, D. (1998): Notes of the captive reproduction of the Amazonian Milk Frog (Phrynohyas resinifictrix). REPTILES?(?): 84-89.
JUNGFER, K.-H. & PROY, C. (1998): Phrynohyas resinifictrix (Goeldi,1907), der Frosch, der seine Frau bei Vollmond ruft: Geschichte und Fortpflanzungsverhalten im Terrarium. herpetofauna 20(116): 19-29.

all the best,
Martin

Hi Martin,

Open to speculation then, I doubt that Fenolio would have been able to state that if he wasn't indeed the first person to breed them; but then again he did breed them before they published they're article; you would have thought they would have said something by now (it's been 5 years) if they really had been the first to breed them.

Rob

Hi Rob,

> you would have thought they would have said something by now
> (it's been 5 years) if they really had been the first to
> breed them.

as I appraise JUNGFER (I had the chance to visit him few times; AMAZING frogs he is keeping, breeding and studying), such a "competition" (who bred something first) isn't his intention.

anyway, it's going OT here!

all the best,
Martin

Hi Martin,
Fenolio seems just like the competitive sort; just read his webpage. You're in a much better position to come to a conclusion than me having met Jungfer, so I'll believe you lol.

p.s. Have you bred your P. resinifictrix yet Martin?
Rob

Hi Rob,

>p.s. Have you bred your P. resinifictrix yet Martin?

Nope, not really. In the end I had a group of 7,1. The female spawned about three times (have to check my notes for the correct number), but no or only a hand full of tadpoles hatched which died short after. Don't know what had been the reason.
In the end I gave my aduld frogs away – the males can be terrible loud ... and seven of them in an small apartement can drive you crazy...

all the best,
Martin

I've been looking at getting a milk treefrog. Where did you get it and was it terribly expensive?
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