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ya i know lots of people here so NO mice for pacmans, or fish, whats the reasoning, how bad are they for pacmans and has it been proved?

It has been proven. Mice and fish have fat that can not be digested or used with any purpose in these frogs. Frogs subjected to a long term diet of mice and/or fish among other things end up with problems such as, but not limited to, lipid build-up around the cornea causing blindness, organ failure (such as fatty liver disease...which leads to liver failure and death), and obesity which leads to a premature death. Check the book on horned frogs and african bullfrogs by Bartlett for one. Andy
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Mice have too much vitamin A. in them, which ultimately leads to brittle bones. The same thing can happen in humans. It is OK to use these as a "supplement" or a treat, but really should never be offered more than once every month or two. If you want the proof, consult the Amphibian Medicine and Captive Husbandry book, the bible on amphibian captive needs.
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I only know what I have experienced. I had a young regular Cranwell frog (pacman), back in the mid 90's before the Internet graced me with its presence. I fed it mainly mice, both subadult mice and pinkies. I had this frog for about a year, and it began to develop fatty deposits around its eyes, and then he started losing his balance. I humanely euthanized him around this time, and it broke my heart. I did not know I was doing anything wrong. The pet store told me to just feed it mice and fish.
Luckily, beginners in the hobby no longer have to live in ignorance, thanks to the Internet.
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How would you like to have a diet of nothing but heavily fried food with a cup of lard? Mice are full of lard.

My pacman is doing quiet well with just crickets and an occasional superworm. Mice are 100% off its menu.

Now when it's a youngster an occasional pinkie would be much appreciated. but no more than one a month. but NO MICE to fully grown adults!

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