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I got your emails after I worked out the banner problem I was having in getting that set up. I tried to reply back to you but the mail came back as undeliverable to your email address you used when you contacted me.

Wanted to ask you some questions about finding some super Snow dragons. Can you email me with an email address I can write to you.

Thanks
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Sorry about that. I had moved and changed email since i first started posting on kingsnake.

As far as snow dragons go. Dragonsdenherp.com is the one that coined the name snow for thier light colored selectively bred hypo dragons. If I was going to get one I would go straight to the source instead of getting a light dragon with the name put on them after they hatched and looked similar.

If you looked at my page I don't have any snows, but I have hypo pastels which is a recsesive form of hypomelanisism. I could deffinatly point you in the direction to get hypo pastels but not snows other then the place I posted above. Hypo pastels are not as white as snows, but also not as grey as most either. They come in light shades of cream-yellow, orange, pinks, and lavender. On my page Buddy is the closest I came to getting a full bodied light cream colored dragon, but pastels can come with bright colors too like Kami who has a real bright yellow head and colors turn lighter more creamy into what I would call pastel colors. Seems to me that hypo pastels are getting more and more brightly colored, and more colorful as other lines are added, and they are selecticely bred.

Sorry could not help you find multiple breeders of snow dragons.
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the misspellings I'm sure you could make out the words I screwed up on. Should have read that one over
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Mystical Dragons webshots pictures
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I have talked to Kevin Dunn at DragonsDen but he is all out for this year. I am planning on getting one of his babies as soon as they are available this spring. I was just thinking I might be able to track one down sooner than that.

I have some really nice Hypo Pastels and a Super Hypo that will be future breeders. My Super Hypo (the breeder I got her from called her a Hypo Pastel) but I am calling her a Super Hypo because she has no pastel in her at all she is snow white. In fact, I named her Georgia's Snow White. I am looking for a true super white snow male to go with her as well as to breed to a pastel and a hypo pastel.

I know what you mean about going straight to the source. The only way you can trust that you are getting what you are asking for is to deal with a reputable breeder or the direct source and not something someone else is pandering on the internet. I say pandering because I have seen some pretty misleading ads before.

I am going to attempt to post a picture of my pastel female. If it doesn't show up just chalk it up to inexperience and learning how to operate the mechanics of this forum
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You might want to try Fire and Ice Dragons. I believe they have some recently hatched Snows. They have some really nice dragons

I will preface with: I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BREEDING (total idiot in that arena), but I just bought a red flame from Fire and Ice Dragons (see picture under Baby Album and Baby Album cont. in lower posts) He is perfect and gorgeous and ate the first night he came (not much,5 crx and some salad, but still...)!! Terri is awesome and very professional. I don't know if their snows are available. I was looking at Citrus and red flame holdbacks.
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Stacey

Thanks for the replies on Snow Dragons. I will get in touch with Fire & Ice Dragons. I know of them but have never done any business with them. Seen their website too so glad to hear good things. Maybe I will get lucky, keeping fingers crossed.
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I don't want to come off as a know-it-all, but I hear and see a lot of people referring to "hypo pastels". Bob Mailloux from Sandfire Dragon Ranch was the first to actually produce hypomelanistic animals with clear claws on a significant basis. These animals originated from our Red Gold bloodline and the first animals had very light colors with gray/lavender markings that replaced the melanin. Because of these colors he coined the first hypomelanistics "pastels". Check out the Vivarium issue Volume 7 No.6, pages 32 & 33 (I believe it's from 1996). Since then many breeders have been able to get the really bright colors into the hypos and now we are seeing more of those. So, basically what I am trying to say is that "hypo" and "pastel" are the same thing. There really is no such thing as a "hypo pastel". It's just another marketing tool.
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Paul Morlock
of CaptiveCreations and
Retial Sales Rep. for Sandfire Dragon Ranch

The pastel dragon Buddy on my webpage was bought from you at a show as a "hypo pastel." Is he from Bob's "Pastel" line or a newer "hypo" line like you said with increased color called that as a marketing tool? Cause what I bought him as was a hypo pastel, and is what I've called him. I thought basically the hypo pastels were hypos= decreased melanin, and pastel colored shades with the recessive trait clear nails. Right?? I just thought the whole pastel line got used as a marketing tool for like colored dragons without the clear nailed trait leading people to call the clear nailed ones "hypo pastels" or "true pastels" or hypo pastels (with clear nails) that we see a lot of. I would really like to ask you a few things about breeding this morph they are one of my favorites. Let's just say if you breed a "Pastel" clear nailed dragon to a high colored orange/red dragon, then crossed the babies to a different pastel dragon. In the second breeding back to another pastel a percentage would have clear nails right, and have the influx of the added color? This is what you mean by people breeding color in right?? I always thought this so, and that is what intrested me about them cause not many traits in beardies breed to a simple recsesive, dominant outcome or atlest that can be seen easily other then the translucent right? Also I wanted to ask when bob Mallioux first produced these from his red/gold line where the colors there first, and then he bred in the clear nail trait, or where the first dragons clear nailed and called pastels?? Thanks for any info that might clear this up a bit for me. I always thought that hypos could have dark nails, but to be "pastel" or "hypo pastel" the clear nails should be there
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Hi Mattman

Yes I have gotten confused by what he posted too. I have always considered a "Pastel" dragon as a light colored dragon, just as the name indicates, sort of like watercolors paints are to your heavier colored paints such as oils. So that a "Pastel" dragon could have any kind of nails clear or darker or a combination of the clear with the little dark stripe or vein in it. Then, my understanding is that the development of the "Hypos" was when the breeding for super light colors in addition to the clear nail trait was established. See, I don't care what kind of nails they have as long as they have the colorations and patterns that I am looking for, hence calling a watercolors type light coloration dragon a pastel because of the bloodlines as well as what the eye actually sees and then using the hypo term based on the decreased melanin in the pigmentation as well as the clear nail trait.

Hope I didn't just have another "blonde moment" and make this any more confusing

Will someone please set this discussion straight or give us your input.

By the way, this discussion originated with me talking about Show dragons. So, can anyone point me in the direction of someone who might possess an awesome super white Snow male they may be interested in selling. Already check with Dragons Den and they don't have any and I am waiting to find out if Fire and Ice Dragons have any. Any other suggestions, anyone out there have one they are interested in selling.

Thanks
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These are similar to the originals...

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Paul Morlock
of CaptiveCreations and
Retial Sales Rep. for Sandfire Dragon Ranch

Awesome dragons!! They for sure are one of my favorites. Buddy the one from you looks a bit like those just he is not as white. He's more of a creamy color with the bright yellow around the eyes and jaw line. This year I got one from the Dachiu's which is turning into a great looking dragon. Kami the one from them has a much brighter yellow head and fades down in the body to the light pastel colors. He had a few crosses this year of pastels hets that came out with a bit more color and some clear nailed. actually the dragon back in my banner is the pastel from them.
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Mystical Dragons webshots pictures
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Yeah Rob has some real nice animals.I picked up a nice male from him early this year to cross into my high color hypos next season.
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Paul Morlock
of CaptiveCreations and
Retial Sales Rep. for Sandfire Dragon Ranch

Are the dragons pictured what you are referring to as hypo-pastel? I see the pastel colors in them.

Do you have any pictures of your SNOW dragons. Will you post one.
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Originaly "pastel" was the name given to animals with clear nails, which is a recessive trait(definately hypomelanistic). Hypomelanistic by definition means "having LESS than normal melan".This leaves a huge area of interpretation.However I would not call an animal with a light pattern but with dark nails a true Hypomelanistic because in my experience the "lightness" is not a recessive trait but more a hereditary trait and generaly these animals can get dark. If they were really hypo they should not be able to produce large amounts of the dark colors.Bob calls all of his animals with clear nails "pastel" regardless of any other color they display. I personaly prefer the term hypomelanistic because of the confusion. The original animals came from the redgolds which tend to have almost no color in the body and some light color(red,yellow,orange) in the face and head.Before this trait was refined the areas that should have displyed the melan were that grey/blue color makeing the animal look as if it were colored with pastels, hence the name. I believe the confusion came about because some people did not understand the clear claw thing and only saw the very light colors the animals displayed. Realizing these were going for more money, they quickly started calling light animals pastels.I honestly think that the popular definition makes more sense..Pastel=light and hypo=clear claws, but Bob is the one who coined the name "pastel" and he ment it for animals with clear claws. All I personaly breed are animals with clear claws and next season I should have a number of animals that are mostly white(snow), however the majority of those should also be het for the translucent trait.I hope to produce an animal that is completely translucent(clear) even as an adult.

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Paul Morlock
of CaptiveCreations and
Retial Sales Rep. for Sandfire Dragon Ranch

NP
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Mystical Dragons webshots pictures
Mystical-Dragons Website

Paul

I agree with you in that it makes more sense to call a light color=pastel and hypo=clear nails. I use the term "pastel" for my very lightly colored dragons that have white or cream base color to their entire body. (watercolors as in pale or soft yellows,light pinks and peaches)

But on a different note.

Do you have any Snow dragons for sale. Looking for an awesome male.
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