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Hey all, just got a question. I thought I understood the hypo gene. Breed a hypo to a normal you get 50/50 hypo/normal if the hypo is heterozygous (carrying one hypo gene). A super hypo (homozygous) is a hypo that you can not tell from a regular hypo, I thought. I thought the only way to tell a het hypo from a homo hypo (that sounds bad) was to breed the snake to a normal and see if you get all hypos. breed a het hypo to a het hypo get 1 normal 2 het hypo and 1 homo hypo fro every four snakes on average. Ok that is how i understood it. Ok my problem is how does the guy from select reps claim to have breed a hypo het for albino to a hypo het albino and then claim that he procuced 2.5 hypo possible het for sunglow of which 1.1 are super. Am I missing something here? Or is this guy shady. I thought to tell if a buby is a super is if you breed a super to a super. I don't get it. Or maybe I do and don't want to think this guy is a moron.

I would have to say in this case the guy is a moron, or he miss posted what he meant to say. email him and ask how he is supposedly able to tell what they are. Later Randy T.
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I saw the same thing. If you do email him, tell us what he said. I'm really curious as to what he has to say. As far as I know you are right. there is no definate way to tell them apart other than by proving it. Some my look better but that doesn't mean they are homo for the trait.

X het sunglow and have not shown any pictures of the sunglows? Ian seems like a nice guy but I don't think he fully understands the genetics of what he is selling. He's also selling sunset boas... that says it all.
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i agree... those are way overpriced... very pretty, but way overpriced... should be priced between a hypo and hogg... not above ... say 500 max for a smoker..

he posts these ads for hypos and hypos het, click the link
and some are labaled sunset (w.out an explanation on the pic
of what a 'sunset' is) and some just don't say whichlitter they
are from, hypo het albino or sunsets, or are they ALL sunsets?
I found this to be very confusing and therefor I avoid it.
Is it just me?

woa guys..... ian is a stand up fellow.... i bought some great suris from him last year... alot of people sell super salmons and potential dominant hypos... same thing. while no its not ultimatley possible to be 100% sure if its a dom or co-dom... you can can get a pretty good idea just by looking at the neos... take bob clark for example..

http://www.bobclark.com/d_learn.asp?id=60&cat=learn

these are neos... and pretty obvious which has the double dose.

or how bout doug matuzack

http://www.boabasement.com/page/chypo.htm

http://www.boabasement.com/page/dhypo.htm

just some food for thought guys... you could breed to double het sunglows together and produce 1.1 possible dominant possible double hets no problem

i would deffinatley pick this as a co dom

http://photos.imageevent.com/selectreps/salmons/websize/April%205th%202003%20055.jpg

and this as a dom

http://photos.imageevent.com/selectreps/salmons/websize/April19th%20044.jpg

just like he did.
again, you can never be 100% sure,.. but what does hypo melanism do? i reduces black,... wouldnt a dominant (double dose) have far less black that a cop-dom?

weather you agree with me on the ability to tell the 2 apart (for the most part, sometimes you cant tell at all, others its pretty obvious), i stand up that ian is a great guy and not the least bit shady.

sean mills, happy ian demello customer.

Dude don't get me wrong, Ian has nice boas. I would definately consider buying a hypo from him. He has top quality hypos and he is in the same state. My issue is, is that you can not tell if a boa is truly hypo by the looks. The snakes on bob clarks page could be different generation hypos. The ones that are dominant my have come from a homo hypo to a homo hypo. My thing is that if I pay an extra couple hundred dollars for a homo hypo and it turns out to not be a super that would piss me off. Say I pay $1000 for a really nice "super" salmon. Then I buy 3 huge female boas, say for $700. I raise them up for a year more. Then I breed the hypo to the three of them. I would think it would be reasonable to expect say 25 babies at least out of each. So I am expecting 75 nice salmon boas. But wait the "super" salmon isn't a super just a nice looking normal salmon. now I get 37 normal hypos and 38 normal boas. Now lets say nice looking hypo boas are going for $400 in two years. Once the females were gravid I would be expecting $30,000 return assuming none lay premature yada yada yada. Well the "super" isn't really a "super", so now I get a $15,500 or so. I say that I would have a right to be pissed about this. And the breeder wouldn't be willing to give you the difference. Heck he probably wouldn't refund you the few hundred dollar difference between a nice hypo and a super hypo. That is my point. If you breed a normal hypo to a normal hypo then you should sell the resulting hypos as possicle dominant hypos. I just think Ian doesn't fully understand some of the genetics at hand. Especially with the sunset "morph". They look like a reduced pattern really nice hypo, like the f4s that were produced. Don't think they are worth the $10,000 price tag. Especially with no explanation of genetics. That is just a little shady. Just my opinion.

i couldnt agree more that sunsets are overpriced... but hes a reseller, thats (unfortunatley) the going rate. as far as the dom vs co dom goes... its a gamble man... it all is, who says theyll even breed. and i got no arguement with anyone other than the fact that you can judge (with a margine of error) a super from a regular hypo. just wanted to let anyone reading this post know that Ian isnt "shady" in the least. and while ive never bought a hypo from him (the one in the pic was from doug matuzack) i think hes got a good head on his shoulders. comments like whats gone on above can be harmfull for someones buisness. just lookin out for a good guy.

in all honesty, ive seen better hypos than what he has up there currently, but i wouldnt doubt that the ones labled super are such (within a small margin of error)