Reptile & Amphibian Forums

Welcome to kingsnake.com's message board system. Here you may share and discuss information with others about your favorite reptile and amphibian related topics such as care and feeding, caging requirements, permits and licenses, and more. Launched in 1997, the kingsnake.com message board system is one of the oldest and largest systems on the internet.

Click here to visit Classifieds
Click for ZooMed
Click for 65% off Shipping with Reptiles 2 You

Off feed

macsux Dec 11, 2003 02:22 PM

I got a problem. My female has been eating quite irregularly for about a year now. She eats, but very infrequently. I think this year she only ate about 10 times. She's starting to lose weight noticably, and I'm considering assist feeding. She's been housed with another male right now, although for half a year she had her own cage (I seperate and join them every year). The male eats great, and since they are housed together I dought it's paracites, or he would have had them too...

She's in her shed cycle right now, and i want to try assist feeding after she's done.

I want to get final advice before I do this, and any suggestions are appreciated. If the advice you give me is to proceed with assist feeding, any tips on how to do this are also highly appreciated.

BTW, the tank is fine in terms of set up. One side of the tank is at 75-80 degrees, the other is at 90-95 and each side has a hiding box. They usually stay on the cooler side, although she has been on the worm side the last few weeks.

Replies (3)

8BallPythons Dec 11, 2003 03:05 PM

You didn't say exactly how old your female is, but from this statement...

"I seperate and join them every year"

... I am guessing she is at least a couple of years old. Assist feeding at this age is really not wise. The stress already on your animal will only be compounded. Assist feeding is used by some in getting stubborn hatchlings to eat, but once established it should never be necessary.

There are usually very good reasons why ball pythons go off feed. Improper husbandry, stress, parasites, and while being cooled for breeding are some of the most obvious. One thing that jumped out at me from your post is that 75-80 degrees on the cool side of the enclosure may be a little too cool for this female. Upping this temp to 80-82 may get her going again. Another thing may be the presence of the other snake; this is a factor that may be causing stress.

I have also seen balls stop eating because of stresses caused by the following; lack of hide boxes, lights on 24 hours a day, enclosure kept in a high traffic area, and over handling to name a few.

I would not be so quick to rule out parasites either. Two animals can be housed together and both have different levels of parasites in their systems causing completely different behaviors. Your male may only be infected with a small gut load of parasites that aren’t a problem today but will eventually reproduce and cause him to go off feed as well. Parasites seem to be pretty common (even if at minute levels) in a good percentage of captive collections. There is an abover average likelihood that these animals are not 100% clean even if that is not the cause of this female going off feed. Assist feeding is very stressful and traumatic to a ball python at that age, having a fecal done to rule out parasites before attempting something so drastic is in the best interest of your animal.

Even if you have been doing the same routine with her for many years and have not changed a thing, she may have changed. She is a living creature and sometimes animals need something different. Try switching things up. I have personally seen tricks like warmer temps, moving the enclosure, changing bedding all stimulate a sudden non-feeder into taking food again with gusto!

Before jamming food into her mouth, please exhaust all other options. It’s really in her best interest.

Hope this helped. Sorry it's so long.

-Adam

jgriffi Dec 11, 2003 03:43 PM

You never stated what you were feeding her, live, rats, mice, frozen etc, if it's captive or wild. some have a fear of rat or mice if they have had a bad experience with them. In small enclosures rats and mice can be intimidating and the snake won't eat until its extremely hungry. Try increasing the heaton both sides of the enclosure; kill the food and put it into a brown paper bag with the snake and staple it shut. Leave them together over night. You can also soak the rat or mouse in hot water, dry it off and give it that way. Try these before force feeding, especially if you don't know what you're doing. It's very stressful to you and the snake.
jgriffi

IMO Dec 12, 2003 12:00 PM

"She's starting to lose weight noticably"

I agree with the first post, try alternatives first. If those things don't help, I would take her to a vet for a parasite/health check. The noticable decrease in weight is of concern. I would not try force feeding at her age, way too stressful. Don't hesitate to take her to a vet.

Site Tools