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Okay,

This is the email I recieved from Prehistoric Pets... Email to find out if there is any doubt....

Hi Richie,

The banana blizzard is the result of a double het Leucistic X Blizzard. However, if you do cross them, you do not always get banana blizzards because of the amount of eggs per clutch. The banana blizzards should have a white head and white tail with yellow bodies. I hope this helps.

Thank you.
Patrick Powers, Retail Manager
Business Phone (714) 964-3525
Cell Phone (714) 318-0734
www.prehistoricpets.com
www.jurassicparties.com

We can finally stop all this debating after all...

You were answered by a retail manager.
The one who answered my question is the co-founder of the blizzard line and I believe (but may be wronng) owner of Prehistoric Pets in Fountain Valley CA.
Just seems a bit odd on that one...two different answers from two different people.
Then again...your proof doesn't say that it is a patternless Blizzard which is the misunderstanding on this debate. Yes...they may come from that crossing, but not be homozygous to both traits.
Maybe it's time for me to ride on down there tomorrow and get an answer face to face again and see if it changed again.

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I too find it pretty crazy to have gotten two different answers from two different people in the same store. Maybe it is time for you to go get another answer face to face like you said, hey it definitely could't hurt, you know? If it were me, I'd probably go with the producers answer, thats what I was hoping to get but didnt... But as I said, I think theres gonna be some pretty loooooooooonnnnnnnnnggggggggg, and very drawn out debates with this one for many years to come... As for the part of it being a "Patternless Blizzard", thats not really what I want to find out. I think in the end I'd just like to get an answer that has no if's, and's or but's attached to the end of it. Where did they come from? Thats my question. But on the same note, I've seen to many "Banana Blizzards" hatched out here in colorado from the Patternless X Blizzard mix, So I'm still not going to disregard the possibility of that being the mix that was used... But oh well, this ones been beat to death as far as I'm concerned and I think its time to bury the hatchet and start off with a new topic....

Take it eay
- Richie

Well the retail manager looks like they may need to catch up with the correct answer on this one. A large handful of breeders have already proven that the banana blizzard is nothing more then a high-yellow blizzard and it does not express or carry any patternless genes. This subject came be debated over and over again, but a few e-mails from ANYONE that is employed at Prehistoric Pets is not going to change the minds of the breeders who NEVER produced a patternless hatchling using a Banana Blizzard they purchased form Prehistoric Pets even though they bred them Bananas directly to a patternless themselves. A couple "real" Banana blizzards do exist that were produced by HISS (Kelli & Steve). I for one would love to work on this project to produce the real thing. Blizzards are usually seen as a dead end morph and a lot of breeders are bailing out. That’s ok with me; I'll just continue to keep my eyes out for some great looking high yellow blizzards in an effort to produce an all orange animal.
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Justyn
Intense Herpetoculture

I think I'll agree with you on this one, as to the Bright orange blizzards I could have swore that I saw something like that last year. I mean these babies were Neon Orange with a purple head and purple tail, I thought it was a really nice Super Hypo Tangerine, but Super Hypos aren't lacking all the tail spots are they? I thought that the site that had them posted was Blizzard Lizard or Hypo Tangerine Dreams (now this was probably a year ago so I could be mistaken), but when I checked them out again no-one had anything like it!!! They simply ROCKED!!! But they were also going for $600 - $800 dollars a piece... A pretty penny if you ask me. Has anyone else seen these screamers? Or was it a one time deal? Anyway Bananas May or May not be A Cross from a double het, my opinion they are, I say this because I've seen too many here in Colorado produced the way the email reply sounds... But too each his own, either way its time for a different subject because this topic will have controversy for many years to come.... Again thanks for the help with all the double het (albino/blizzard) replies I got and have fun with the herping....

Laters
- Richie

because I don't think you mentioned this in your posts. Like everyone else said, you got an e-mail from a retailer, you want to get an e-mail from Jay, the owner of Prehistoric Pets. It has been proven that the banana blizzards from Prehistoric Pets at least are not the blizzardxpatternless they first claimed because countless breeders have bred them to patternless and got nothing but normals. Heres a copy of what I got from Jay:

We actually need to update our site. That info has since been disprove by our breeding projects. The dark "midnight" blizzards come from the double het for patternless and blizzard. The bananas come from a regular white colony on about a 1:50 ratio for the really yellow one, like in the pic. We originally thought they were cropping out because we thought our original blizzards were carrying the patternless gene, but we were mistaken. I hope this helps clear up any confusion on what a banana really is.

Thank You,
Jay Brewer Owner, Prehistoric Pets
Business Phone (714) 964-3525
Cell Phone (714)402-4444
http://www.prehistoricpets.com
http://www.jurassicparties.com
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Bradley Baquial

Well there you have it... Geez I wasn't trying to get an UPROAR by posting the message. I was just kinda interested in posting the reply I recieved, but on the other hand maybe the message title was a bit on the hardcore side. Nothing meant by it. As for all the proving and stuff, well personally I don't buy a reptile on the event that its proven, I buy it for the way it looks so the proving part isn't the most important thing in the world when it comes to my geckos. I like bananas because of how they look, NOT what the gene type is, BUT if I were using these as my only source of income then that would be different, but I wouldn't want to ruin a hobby of mine by breeding Hundreds and thousands of leopards to make some cash flow? You know? But the midnight blizzards would be pretty sweet. Do they keep the dark pattern or lighten up with age? Again I wasn't trying to sound snide, I just wanted to let people know what I'd found out, if I'd ever heard of Jay then I'd have asked for him... But being in Colorado I use other sources for my reptile needs. Names like Shawn Island, Rich Kensinger and Terry Moffit are name brands out here. But thats it, end of conversation as far as I'm concerned. On another note though, has anyone seen those lizards I explained earlier? (purple head/tails with bright orange bodies) If so what are they? Please reply...

Richie