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Hi everyone. I was wondering how many strains of albino's can exist. Can there be an endless number of strains coming out when someone hits the genetic lottery?!! To my knowledge there are floating around now about 3 strains. The Las Vegas, Tremper, and Bell! How many genes are alotted towars pigmentation in a Leopard Gecko? Now I am trying to wrap my mind around this.Please help me! I appreciate any answers! Thanks all!!!!

i've heard that there's actually 4 strains. 3 of them are widely known by everyone (tremper, bell, & vegas) - the fourth one... i'm not sure if it's true but that's what i heard from several people.

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What about Rainwater (am I just totally of base?)?
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Everyone leaves out the Leshock strain, the first albino known to hatch out!!! There will be more info later this year if it is likely a seperate strain or not as it is just now being crossed with Tremper, Bell, and Rainwater to see if it is the same strain as any of them. Either way, it is interesting and should end this debate.

>>i've heard that there's actually 4 strains. 3 of them are widely known by everyone (tremper, bell, & vegas) - the fourth one... i'm not sure if it's true but that's what i heard from several people.
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>>[aimEe]
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>>0.1.0 Albino Leopard Gecko (Marlene)
>>0.0.2 Fire Bellied Toads (Norman & Forman)
>>0.2.0 African Dwarf Frogs (Hobo & Bobo)
>>1.0.0 Fighting Fish (Blue Balls)
>>0.0.2 Hermit Crabs (Kirby & Furby)
>>1.0.0 Black Lab / Pit Bull (Mikey)
>>aimee.i8.com
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Justyn Miller
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I forgot to ask Mark about it when we spoke a few months ago, but I'm assuming it's probably one of the other strains, perhaps Bell. THey looked like Bells, and there's not a real good reason why the market isn't inundated w/Leshock Albinos right now. These geckos are like rabbits; he should've made half a million $ years ago when they first popped up. Unless the originals were sold to someone for a real nice price, they put their name on them and we only really have 3 strains.

What have you found out or speculated?
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Ahh, can't let out all my secrets now can I? Lets just say I have a few projects going on myself in this neck of the woods. As for Leshocks being Bells, I agree that is they are one of the other strains they are likely Bells, but when I talked to Kim Bell she told me she had seen the Leshock Albino and was certain it was different from their strain, so who would know more then Kim Bell about the Bell strain? As for the market not being flooded with Leshock albinos I am starting to think Leshock never really sold any definite hets or albinos. When I asked Leshock about this he told me that the albinos geckos were a side project and he was more into his boids. He was the first to have an albino, he would have had the market cornered, but then Tremper and later Rainwater came into play and he told me he lost interest in the albinos all together and I suspect he did not produce what he thought he was going too. I know of NO ONE (well, ok, just one person, to remain unnamed) that has purchased any het albinos or albinos from Leshock despite an extensive search and Leshock was unable to provide me with any names. Leshock also told me that his strain has never been crossed with the other strains. Another interesting note is the Leshock strain came from jungle genes, hence animals that were not WC, unlike Tremper and Rainwater. Only the Bell strain resulted from CBB adults, again giving the Bell gene a good chance of being the same as the Leshock. I was studied the markings and the amount of how much the bans on the Leshock and Bell break up, and they do look different. I am fair to say that I have a very impressive amount of knowledge concerning the Leshock strain and in my eye it is a separate strain. I have tons more info concerning this morph, but I'll refrain from letting it all out until more is known about it being compatible with other strains.

>>I forgot to ask Mark about it when we spoke a few months ago, but I'm assuming it's probably one of the other strains, perhaps Bell. THey looked like Bells, and there's not a real good reason why the market isn't inundated w/Leshock Albinos right now. These geckos are like rabbits; he should've made half a million $ years ago when they first popped up. Unless the originals were sold to someone for a real nice price, they put their name on them and we only really have 3 strains.
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>>Ahh, can't let out all my secrets now can I? Lets just say I have a few projects going on myself in this neck of the woods. As for Leshocks being Bells, I agree that is they are one of the other strains they are likely Bells, but when I talked to Kim Bell she told me she had seen the Leshock Albino and was certain it was different from their strain, so who would know more then Kim Bell about the Bell strain? As for the market not being flooded with Leshock albinos I am starting to think Leshock never really sold any definite hets or albinos. When I asked Leshock about this he told me that the albinos geckos were a side project and he was more into his boids. He was the first to have an albino, he would have had the market cornered, but then Tremper and later Rainwater came into play and he told me he lost interest in the albinos all together and I suspect he did not produce what he thought he was going too. I know of NO ONE (well, ok, just one person, to remain unnamed) that has purchased any het albinos or albinos from Leshock despite an extensive search and Leshock was unable to provide me with any names. Leshock also told me that his strain has never been crossed with the other strains. Another interesting note is the Leshock strain came from jungle genes, hence animals that were not WC, unlike Tremper and Rainwater. Only the Bell strain resulted from CBB adults, again giving the Bell gene a good chance of being the same as the Leshock. I was studied the markings and the amount of how much the bans on the Leshock and Bell break up, and they do look different. I am fair to say that I have a very impressive amount of knowledge concerning the Leshock strain and in my eye it is a separate strain. I have tons more info concerning this morph, but I'll refrain from letting it all out until more is known about it being compatible with other strains.
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>>>>I forgot to ask Mark about it when we spoke a few months ago, but I'm assuming it's probably one of the other strains, perhaps Bell. THey looked like Bells, and there's not a real good reason why the market isn't inundated w/Leshock Albinos right now. These geckos are like rabbits; he should've made half a million $ years ago when they first popped up. Unless the originals were sold to someone for a real nice price, they put their name on them and we only really have 3 strains.
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Rob Jenkins
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That's some really interesting stuff. I'd love to hear what you come up with.
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There is really no limit to the number of albino strains that can exist. Or any other color or pattern mutation for that matter. You have to realize that a simple recessive trait such as albinism involves only a single gene and leopard geckos have millions of genes. Out of those millions there are a great many that could produce albinism if they mutated in the right way. What are the odds of that happening? It isn't possible to say for certain but some animals have a higher tendency for certain types of mutations and leopard geckos definitely seem to skew towards albinism. Due to the large number that are bred and the quick maturation it is entirely possible that more and more forms of albinism as well as other mutations will be discovered in the fairly near future.

Chad
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there is a set number of albino strains the can be produced because albino is actually an abscence of skin pigmentation, i've studied this for some years and as far as everyone has come up with there are 3 different strains of albinos (still waiting to see with the leschock crosses produce but i have my doubts) seeing as albinos (unlike humans) contain 3 different types of skin pigmentation (therefore each strain is just an abscence of each type of skin pigmentation) Like in humans how we have one skin pigmentation (melanin) if there was an albino human he would have an abscence of melanin in his skin. So if there is a fourth strain that means a couple things:

1 leopards have more then 3 types of skin pigmentation

2 the 4th strain of albino could actually be an abscence of 2 types of skin pigmentation (like a tremperxrainwater albino) however i have heard, from tremper himself at daytona this year, that he had some friends do some extensive crossings with the lines and they were unable to produce a gecko lacking 2 skin pigmentations.

this is all my own opinion and the info i have come up with but it is very interesting just think if one day we are able to create leos that are crosses of the albinos it should be pretty sweet.

jason

Albinism is the lack of melanin only. Lack of the red or yellow pigments in reptiles are different mutations (anerythristic and axanthic, respectively). So, whatever mutation is in effect in the three (or four) strains of incompatible albino leopard geckos is similar, but not the same.
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Sure about that???? Then explain why there are over 100 seperate incompatible strains of albino found in humans??? I understand what you are saying, but I think while you can set a limit on the number of albinos that can be produced within a species (perhaps a very high limit), you also need to remember that each albino mutation effects the same pigementaion in different ways and this mutation may be found in any number of given genes to be effective. Hope you understand what I am saying, otherwise I'll have to hit the books and find an easier way to show you what I mean.

>>there is a set number of albino strains the can be produced because albino is actually an abscence of skin pigmentation, i've studied this for some years and as far as everyone has come up with there are 3 different strains of albinos (still waiting to see with the leschock crosses produce but i have my doubts) seeing as albinos (unlike humans) contain 3 different types of skin pigmentation (therefore each strain is just an abscence of each type of skin pigmentation) Like in humans how we have one skin pigmentation (melanin) if there was an albino human he would have an abscence of melanin in his skin. So if there is a fourth strain that means a couple things:
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>>1 leopards have more then 3 types of skin pigmentation
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>>2 the 4th strain of albino could actually be an abscence of 2 types of skin pigmentation (like a tremperxrainwater albino) however i have heard, from tremper himself at daytona this year, that he had some friends do some extensive crossings with the lines and they were unable to produce a gecko lacking 2 skin pigmentations.
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>>this is all my own opinion and the info i have come up with but it is very interesting just think if one day we are able to create leos that are crosses of the albinos it should be pretty sweet.
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>>jason
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Justyn Miller
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i understand what you are saying, your stating that the possibility is that lets say the bell and tremper line are actually related to the same skin pigmentation and just effect it differently... i can see that and that would make since and then yes there could be an infinite amount of albinos, however if so i think within the next years we should see different morphs pop out more readily due to the hi volume of animals being produced ... i mean i've met peole who could ship you 10,000 pluz animals over the next month. with those types of numbers being produced we should then see these pop out in the next few years... as to over 100 different types of albinos in humans i had heard there were 100s of different mutations that caused skin pigmentation to be lighter in humans and effec them in different ways (which then you could say could be subspecies of albino) but i had heard and read that there is really only 1 true type of albino found in humans. My mom is actually a 3rd grade teacher and last year she had a albino kid in her class (red eyes shock white hair the works) ill have to call her up and see if she remembers anything about it and if not ill see if she can get in contact with the kids parents. ill post the info once i find it.

Jason

You seem to be misunderstanding the basic issue here. Albinism is the lack of only one pigment: melanin. It is possible for many many different genes to mutate in a way that causes melanin not to be produced. There is no practical limit to the number of times this can happen and thus there could be many hundreds of different albino strains developed given enough time and they would all be incompatible with one another because a different gene would be causing each strain. It is really quite simple and a very basic genetics book will make this quite clear.

Chad
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That you Chad, thats what I was aying, and you found a great way to put it in better words!!!

>>You seem to be misunderstanding the basic issue here. Albinism is the lack of only one pigment: melanin. It is possible for many many different genes to mutate in a way that causes melanin not to be produced. There is no practical limit to the number of times this can happen and thus there could be many hundreds of different albino strains developed given enough time and they would all be incompatible with one another because a different gene would be causing each strain. It is really quite simple and a very basic genetics book will make this quite clear.
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>>Chad
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Justyn Miller
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