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I can't figure this one out...Since tangerine comes from selective breeding and albinism is a genetic trait, how are the tangerine albinos produced? My guess would be a tangerine gecko het for albino bred to a normal albino? Am I right on this one? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks!

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-Aaron-
1.2 rainwater albinos
0.1 hypo tang
2.4 hi yellow
1.3 tremper albinos
0.1 blizzard
0.1 leusistic
1.1 Patternless het albinos
0.1 Reverse Stripe Tangerine Albino
soon to be owner of
2 of mooses kids
1 Beautiful albino stripe adopted from Rob
E-mail me at GreatGobsOfGeckos@yahoo.com

Wouldn't that produce normal looking geckos that are het for albino though???

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-Aaron-
1.2 rainwater albinos
0.1 hypo tang
2.4 hi yellow
1.3 tremper albinos
0.1 blizzard
0.1 leusistic
1.1 Patternless het albinos
0.1 Reverse Stripe Tangerine Albino
soon to be owner of
2 of mooses kids
1 Beautiful albino stripe adopted from Rob
E-mail me at GreatGobsOfGeckos@yahoo.com

Yes, I understand this. Tangerine comes from selective breeding and is not a single gene trait. However, albinism is a genetic trait. Therefore, if you crossed a normal tangerine with a normal albino, you'd get a normal looking gecko het for albino, not a true albino because the albino gene is recessive. So, I'm still not certain about how you would create a tangerine albino.

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-Aaron-
1.2 rainwater albinos
0.1 hypo tang
2.4 hi yellow
1.3 tremper albinos
0.1 blizzard
0.1 leusistic
1.1 Patternless het albinos
0.1 Reverse Stripe Tangerine Albino
soon to be owner of
2 of mooses kids
1 Beautiful albino stripe adopted from Rob
E-mail me at GreatGobsOfGeckos@yahoo.com

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tangerine x albino gives you normal looking hets (unless tangerine parent also happens to be het for albino, in which case you will get some albinos, and you may get some tangerine albinos, depending on quality of tangerine parent), which may or may not have some tangerine to them, and any tangerine likely will be much watered down from the tangerine parent if crossed with a normal albino. Of course the more high yellow or tangerine hints in the albino parent, and the more orange the tangerine, the better your results are likely to be. Tangerine albinos are most easily created by breeding together two tangerine albinos. You could also get tangerine albinos by outcrossing with tangerines, recrossing back to albinos, and selectively breeding animals with the most tangerine- this would take several years. You can also improve the quality of your tangerine albinos or add new hgenes, such as carrottail or hypo, by outcrossing a TA with and animal that has those traits, and breeding the hets back to the original parent or another tangerine albino.

If you had been breeding albinos for many many generations, I suppose it is also possible to selectively breed for orange without outcrossing (this is how tangerines were created in the first place, by selectively breeding for orange). My original hypo tangerine albino male was purchased from Ron Tremper, and I don't know if he achieved that by selectively breeding or by outcrossing. I suspect he did some outcrossing along the way because it is also het patternless and hypo.
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Sarah@stargecko.com
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-Aaron-
1.2 rainwater albinos
0.1 hypo tang
2.4 hi yellow
1.3 tremper albinos
0.1 blizzard
0.1 leusistic
1.1 Patternless het albinos
0.1 Reverse Stripe Tangerine Albino
soon to be owner of
2 of mooses kids
1 Beautiful albino stripe adopted from Rob
E-mail me at GreatGobsOfGeckos@yahoo.com

a tang albinos were first produced from 1 selective breeding albinos with higher yellowish orange colors together and by crossing with hypo tangs and such. However if you do this by crossing with a hypo tang it decreases the value of the gecko a lot. Ray hines hybinos some i saw selling for pretty cheap considering what it is (300 for one with a tail end regrown) however if you produce them without crossing to tangs(selective breeding) it makes them Alot more valuable alberto from amgecko is doing it as well as alot of other breeders. the first completely orange albino that has not been crossed with a hypo tang will be available in the next season or 2 i would guess (if tremper hasn't already done it) and will be extremely valuable.

Jason

pic of male produced through selective breeding has almost no white left on his body

May I ask why in the world outcrossing would lower the value of the animal???? Everyone outcrossed to introduce the tangerine coloration in the albino lines. Come on, do you remember the orginal Trempers, Rainwaters, and Bells???? As for AM Gecko I am sure if they did not outcross to obtain the tangerine and hypo qualities then Tremper or KN did which is where AM seems to get a good amount of their geckos from. As for Ray hine with cheap hybinos, why???? Why not, he is producing more hybinos then everyone else combined!!! Plus if you saw him at Daytona I bet he just wanted to sell everything he had so he wou'dn't have to ship it back to Europe. He is also producing the best tangerine albinos out there, why you may ask, because he knows the importance of outcrossing to obtain higher quality animals. Also, I'm interested to know how you make a pure orange albino without hypo genes???? Hypo means reduced black pigementation which would be the white/pink/brown pigmentation on the albinos. Interested in your response, because you have me lost here.

>>a tang albinos were first produced from 1 selective breeding albinos with higher yellowish orange colors together and by crossing with hypo tangs and such. However if you do this by crossing with a hypo tang it decreases the value of the gecko a lot. Ray hines hybinos some i saw selling for pretty cheap considering what it is (300 for one with a tail end regrown) however if you produce them without crossing to tangs(selective breeding) it makes them Alot more valuable alberto from amgecko is doing it as well as alot of other breeders. the first completely orange albino that has not been crossed with a hypo tang will be available in the next season or 2 i would guess (if tremper hasn't already done it) and will be extremely valuable.
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>>pic of male produced through selective breeding has almost no white left on his body
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Justyn Miller
Intense Herpetoculture

from what alberto has told me at amgecko trempers hybinos are selling for a lot more then hines due to the fact they are selective breed. If you are selective breeding it takes time outcrossing and more work which makes the animal more valuable. its like buying a hand sewn (spelling) quilt its a lot more expensive then one that has been stamped off by a machine

this is just what i was told by alberto i know it doesn't make a whole lot of sense (i said to him as well.. heck ill just cross with a sht and produce hybinos next year but he claims due to the fact that all parents are albino and are selective breed it makes them more valuable?) ill go with him considering all my stuff is selective breed.

jason

Where do you think Tremper obatined some of the founder animals for his tangerine projects? From Ray Hine years ago and if I remember correctly they had some sort of partnership as well when the Tremper Albinos hit the market. Anyone that looks down on outcrossing should be slapped around a little and set right. As for line bred (inbred) geckos being worth more, I doubt that, I would pay more for an animal with diverse genetics anyday. not sure what Alberto is thinking, but with this information not coming from Alberto himself I will not comment on it in regards to AM gecko publically.

>>from what alberto has told me at amgecko trempers hybinos are selling for a lot more then hines due to the fact they are selective breed. If you are selective breeding it takes time outcrossing and more work which makes the animal more valuable. its like buying a hand sewn (spelling) quilt its a lot more expensive then one that has been stamped off by a machine
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>>this is just what i was told by alberto i know it doesn't make a whole lot of sense (i said to him as well.. heck ill just cross with a sht and produce hybinos next year but he claims due to the fact that all parents are albino and are selective breed it makes them more valuable?) ill go with him considering all my stuff is selective breed.
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Justyn Miller
Intense Herpetoculture

The work is in the outcrossing i still wouldn't line breed thats not what im saying your obviously not understanding me, selective breeeding isn't the same as line breeding and yes people do alot of times line breed in selective breeding but then this is where the wokr comes in OUTCROSSIng, its a pain in the but trust me i've outcrossed almost all of my projects even though im not a 100 percent sure you need it. Just ask kelly hammack right now shes outcrossing all her PAs with a WC specimen it takes time out of producing nicer aniamsl but in the long run its better off due to healthier animals.

jason

Well, if you're for out crossing I guess we are thinking along the same lines, but I still don't see how Ray Hines Hybinos are worth less then AM's or Ron Tremper's "patternless" albinos. first time I heard someone say that. I personally as a breeder would buy Ray Hines hybinos over AM's "patternless albinos" anyday, and would even pay more!!! Oh well, I guess I'll never get it. Not really sure why you brought Kelli Hammack into the conversation, but as for Kelli's WC girl, I'll tell you what, that is one werid looking gecko!!! Every time I see that gecko in person it amazes me. I'm all for outcrossing and I'm even bringing in a shipment of WC leos in Jan-Feb to use for outcrossing for myself and several other breeders. As for needing outcrossing, I think you do need it, new genes keep the gears working, I'm sorry but I've seen (and bought) inbred geckos form several sources and I'm not too happy with them. Well if we are bringing up names for the hell of it, I should mention SF Geckos (Jon Ho), some amazing PA's (from Kelli's line) he has were possible due to outcrossing. I'm happy to own one of them, and soon another one from him. Hmm....I throw sme other names out later, but I got to go.

>>The work is in the outcrossing i still wouldn't line breed thats not what im saying your obviously not understanding me, selective breeeding isn't the same as line breeding and yes people do alot of times line breed in selective breeding but then this is where the wokr comes in OUTCROSSIng, its a pain in the but trust me i've outcrossed almost all of my projects even though im not a 100 percent sure you need it. Just ask kelly hammack right now shes outcrossing all her PAs with a WC specimen it takes time out of producing nicer aniamsl but in the long run its better off due to healthier animals.
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Justyn Miller
Intense Herpetoculture

WOW your bringing in some wc speecimens in january and february i was underthe impression from breeder friends of mine that this was becoming extremeley hard to do due to regulations and such as well as the tension over in the middle east these days.. correct me if im wrong. I bought a male wild collected from a friend here in florida back in 98 (he was getting pretty old) i breed him once and produced 5 wc/cb geckos, i sold all but 1 and now use him for outcrossing but would love to get my hands on another. if there is anyway that i could cohearse (spelling) you out of one of them i would really appreciate it i doubt your going to want to sell any but if you do just email me with price and all. I'd like to email you further about this issue.. my email once again is Psulax08@aol.com

jason

If I offer any to the general public I'm sure you'll here about it. I have an exporter in Pakistan collecting me several species of various subspecies with locality data and I also hope to import a related species, but I guess I'll just see if everything comes together when I get them in. I'm still trying to locate all the papers to ID the subspecies with certainty. If for some reason I have difficulties bringing them in from Pakistan (doubtful), I know a good source in Holland for WC leopard geckos. As for importing them, not any more difficult then it was 10 years ago. A lot of the wholesalers often don't import animals from Pakistan (or do so only rarely) because non of the animals exported from over there really have any value and it is difficult to spend time and money on importing animals that are no going to sale as good as say animals from Malaysia, Tanzania, Indonesia, Guyana, etc. Also, many of the Pakistan exporters stopped supplying reptiles and mostly supply birds now, not really sure why. I've seen about 2 shipments of WC leopards geckos come in the lad two years from two seperate exporters, one located in FL another one in CA. I'm only bringing in about 125-150 geckos and expect to keep a sizable number for myself of several groups of various localities and subspecies. All of them might come in half dead (I hope not) so I'm not counting my chickens before they hatch. Again, if I have any extra ones left over, I'm sure you'll hear about it.

>>WOW your bringing in some wc speecimens in january and february i was underthe impression from breeder friends of mine that this was becoming extremeley hard to do due to regulations and such as well as the tension over in the middle east these days.. correct me if im wrong. I bought a male wild collected from a friend here in florida back in 98 (he was getting pretty old) i breed him once and produced 5 wc/cb geckos, i sold all but 1 and now use him for outcrossing but would love to get my hands on another. if there is anyway that i could cohearse (spelling) you out of one of them i would really appreciate it i doubt your going to want to sell any but if you do just email me with price and all. I'd like to email you further about this issue.. my email once again is Psulax08@aol.com
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Justyn Miller
Intense Herpetoculture

also the first albinos that hatched had hypo genes all geckos has hypo genes practically you don't have to cross with a Hypo tang to get hypo genes look at the word HYPO means less spotting look at pictures of some of the first albinos ever produced, some of their white banding was broken due to the fact they contain hypo genes. Also NOT all tang albinos were produced from crossing with hypo tangs, HOW DO YOU THINK THEY GOT HYPO TANGS they crossed hi yellows until they got orange its possible to produce tang albinos W/o crossing to a hypo tang. just breed the ones with more yellowish/ orange color together, its called selective breeding.

jason

No the first albino that hatched did not contain hypo genes, they came from WC normal looking geckos, well, the tremper Strain that is. I never said anything about having to cross in hypo genes to get Tangerine, I just said they outcrossed Tangerine genes into the albinos. As for the white banding being broken to claim they contained hypo genes, sorry, normal geckos bands break as well and they do not contain hypo genes in them. As for hi-yellows being bred to obtain oange coloration if I remember correctly the orange coloration appeared in hi-yellow animals and was selectivly bred to enhance the orange coloration. The yellow colorastion was not bred to obatin orange, but the orange coloration popped up in hi-yellow "and even normal) animals, hope you understand that, don't blame you if you get lost. Also, not trying to start a flame war, that is not the point, I just like healthy debates, and hopefully no hard feelings at the end of them! As for selective breeding, I agree with you, breed the best animals together, but selective breeding (which can contain outcrossing) and line breeding (inbreeding) are two seperate things. Also, line bred hypo tangerine albinos will be no more valuable then outcrossed hypo tangerine albinos (in fact, diverse genetics may add value). I am also sure that Ray Hine's hybinos have been selectivly bred for many generations.
>>also the first albinos that hatched had hypo genes all geckos has hypo genes practically you don't have to cross with a Hypo tang to get hypo genes look at the word HYPO means less spotting look at pictures of some of the first albinos ever produced, some of their white banding was broken due to the fact they contain hypo genes. Also NOT all tang albinos were produced from crossing with hypo tangs, HOW DO YOU THINK THEY GOT HYPO TANGS they crossed hi yellows until they got orange its possible to produce tang albinos W/o crossing to a hypo tang. just breed the ones with more yellowish/ orange color together, its called selective breeding.
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Justyn Miller
Intense Herpetoculture

Not sure how that crying face got in there.

>>No the first albino that hatched did not contain hypo genes, they came from WC normal looking geckos, well, the tremper Strain that is. I never said anything about having to cross in hypo genes to get Tangerine, I just said they outcrossed Tangerine genes into the albinos. As for the white banding being broken to claim they contained hypo genes, sorry, normal geckos bands break as well and they do not contain hypo genes in them. As for hi-yellows being bred to obtain oange coloration if I remember correctly the orange coloration appeared in hi-yellow animals and was selectivly bred to enhance the orange coloration. The yellow colorastion was not bred to obatin orange, but the orange coloration popped up in hi-yellow "and even normal) animals, hope you understand that, don't blame you if you get lost. Also, not trying to start a flame war, that is not the point, I just like healthy debates, and hopefully no hard feelings at the end of them! As for selective breeding, I agree with you, breed the best animals together, but selective breeding (which can contain outcrossing) and line breeding (inbreeding) are two seperate things. Also, line bred hypo tangerine albinos will be no more valuable then outcrossed hypo tangerine albinos (in fact, diverse genetics may add value). I am also sure that Ray Hine's hybinos have been selectivly bred for many generations.
>>>>also the first albinos that hatched had hypo genes all geckos has hypo genes practically you don't have to cross with a Hypo tang to get hypo genes look at the word HYPO means less spotting look at pictures of some of the first albinos ever produced, some of their white banding was broken due to the fact they contain hypo genes. Also NOT all tang albinos were produced from crossing with hypo tangs, HOW DO YOU THINK THEY GOT HYPO TANGS they crossed hi yellows until they got orange its possible to produce tang albinos W/o crossing to a hypo tang. just breed the ones with more yellowish/ orange color together, its called selective breeding.
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Justyn Miller
Intense Herpetoculture

if your disagreeing on genetics thats one thing BUT never question someones intelligence its plain rude im not trying to start a forum war here but you have no right to question my intelligence i've been dealing with this business for a long time and i know the ins and outs and the history of it so here is my stance.

1.INbreeding although not proving to be detrimental should be avoided

2.THE FIRST albinos did have somewhat broken banding i've seen pics and you can see yellow spots where the white banding is (this is for the tremper line)

3. Selective breeding is essential and is a part of breeding this amazing species

now as for you disagreeeing with me i have no problem with that is part of the business and wether selective breed and outcrossed animals are more expensive then ones that are produced quite easily though crossing with hypos well thats the buyers choice. As for you questioning my intelligence, because you disagree with me is perfectly fine but once again YOU HAVE NO RIGHT to claim that im stupid or quote "can't keep up" i love reptiles and love being a part of this forum and i've dealt with kids who are new (and i am not new i've been breeding reptiles since 95) and i would never question their intellignece if you have a problem with me then thats fine but i guess well just have to agree to disagree. if i was some kid new to this forum you could have just crushed me and turned me away from a valuable resource THIS IS a PLACE for discussion and information not slander.

Jason

THe crying face really pissed me off... so as soon as i saw that i went to right the reply without finishing the message like i should have... you obviously don't want to start a flame war either. Yes the tangerine coloration popped out of breeding hi yellows together and then were breed... thats what i was trying to say to begin with (that we selective breed hi yellows until we got tangerines). i hope there are no hard feelings and once again i want to stress to you the importance of debate i love discussing this and would like to discuss it further with you (especially the leshock albinos when you decide to release all your info) you can email me anytime psulax08@aol.com if you would like but plz for future don't insult someone on this forum if you disagree with what they are saying. i still don't necessarily agree that crossing to a sht would lower the value of a hybino that was say selective breed and outcrossed but i do believe that if they were outcrossed properly(with a wc specimen) that in the end since so much of the bloodline in the us is related you would end up with selective breed outcrossed tang albinos that were bigger and healthier then ones crossed with someones sht and therefor be worth more money.

jason

one of the pics i've been told was of one of the original albinos (i've seen several tremper showed 1 at daytona this year) .. one of the pics is on his website under the testimonial page im emailing tremper to see if in fact thi sis one of the first he produced but you can see that the band on the back of the legs and the next band are broken up due to having hypo genes just thought i would point it out so you could take a look and i'd like to hear your opinion.

jason

I know what you are saying, but I think one of us may be confused because even normal colored albinos have broken bands, correct me if I am wrong.

>>one of the pics i've been told was of one of the original albinos (i've seen several tremper showed 1 at daytona this year) .. one of the pics is on his website under the testimonial page im emailing tremper to see if in fact thi sis one of the first he produced but you can see that the band on the back of the legs and the next band are broken up due to having hypo genes just thought i would point it out so you could take a look and i'd like to hear your opinion.
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Justyn Miller
Intense Herpetoculture

if the normal colored albinos have broken bands wouldn't that make them hypo... i believe personally, that if we go by the definition of hypo which means less spotting, almost all geckos are hypo even ones that are wild collected could be somewhat considered hypo. I personally consider hypo a selective breed trait like a color trait, not like a genetic trait, which is where we disagree on the tangerine trait coming from the hi yellow and so on. ill relate it to another species i work with bearded dragons which will be easier because as of right now theres is really only one bd genetic trait out (hypo pastel clear nail)...

alright in dragons we started out with tan colored normal looking dragons and we breed until we got 2 things:

1 a completely white snow dragon (something i would consider a color trait not genetic.. because i've seen normals hatch in snow clutches)

2 yellow dragons this color trait was selective breed and outcrossed until today in the bds we have sunburst and other yellow lines.. from this we got oranges and then as of in the past couple years reds.

Now personally i would consider these color traits and not genetic because of the fact i've seen to completely red animals breed and produce brown, tan, and red babies. i don't think color traits act like genetic traits..

(back to leos sorry about using dragons thought would make good example)

Now if you breed a hi yellow to a tangerine are you going to receive all normal looking animals that are double hets no thats why i was saying i don't believe tangerine is a say genetic trait we don't make Hets for tangerine. If we then took the off spring and breed it to another tangerin we aren't going to get 50 percent tang and some 50 percent het for tangerine with the hi yellow gene mixed in. what we would get is tangs, hi yellows , and maybe even some normals depending on a single factor i believe.. incubation.
this is my personal belief when it comes to say "color" traits i'd love to hear what you think of this.

Jason

I don't think Justyn was trying to insult you at all. I know him personally and he is one of the nicest people I know

When he was saying "I don't blame you if you can't follow along" or whatever he was meaning it is confusing. It's even confusing to me!

Anyway, Justyn can speak for himself obviously but I just wanted to point out that I know he meant no harm and was not trying to insult anyone's intelligence involved in this thread.
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im sure hes a great guy too.. i mean come on he loves leos he can't be that bad can he .. a little debate just gets my blood pumping. i've realised that i don't know everything when it comes to this species and its genetics (no one does) and that everyone can learn more... however i still stand to most of my previous statements a selective breed and properly outcrossed tangerine albino is more valuable then one that has been breed due to a sht due to the fact that so much of the blood in the us is related and by outcrossing you would get bigger stronger healthier... and more valuable geckos.

jason

It is really hard to type out words to have the same meaning as you are thinking. I often come across a total A@@ in the forums, but that's not my intent. I really am a great guy that is very easy to get along with. I like to learn new things, I am wrong about many things (like everyone else int he wrold), and I love a healthy debate. We don't have to agree on everything, that would be boring, and please do not feel like I'm trying to belittle you, I would never do that. As for a bigger, stronger, healthy leopard gecko, make one of those, I'll pay more for it anyday. See, the funny thing is both of us are saying the exact same things in different ways, and that is alright. One thing you have to know about me is I really get involved in what I enjoy, I mean really envolved!!! I love to hear peoples views and they have their reasons. I feel bad Kelli had to come on her and get in between us (thanks Kelli!), it should have never came to that. As Kelli said I said you might get lost because I can get pretty cunfusing at times and it is difficult at times for me to write out what I am thinking. I was getting lost, I was just warning you that is I don't make any sense to you, it's ok, I don't understand some of the things I've written either, so you're not the only one. Ok, well, just take anything I say that upsets you with a grain of salt, it is never my intent to upset anyone on a public forum.

>>im sure hes a great guy too.. i mean come on he loves leos he can't be that bad can he .. a little debate just gets my blood pumping. i've realised that i don't know everything when it comes to this species and its genetics (no one does) and that everyone can learn more... however i still stand to most of my previous statements a selective breed and properly outcrossed tangerine albino is more valuable then one that has been breed due to a sht due to the fact that so much of the blood in the us is related and by outcrossing you would get bigger stronger healthier... and more valuable geckos.
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Justyn Miller
Intense Herpetoculture

Yeah, I didn't like that crying face either, wish they had an edit button. As for breeding hi-yellows together to get a brighter hi-yellow and so on, I tend to think that the orange trait is seperate from the hi-yellow trait (and thus why it is difficult to get orange blizzards or patternless, which would show it is a seperate trait). I just think the orange trait poped up in hi-yellow projects but the orange trait itself is a seperate trait. No hard feelings, I mean come on, we are talking about leopard geckos, a hobby, something we both enjoy, why get pissed off at each other? Again, I am always for bigger and healthy leos. Did you ever notice how massive hypo carrototails get? Sorry, different topic for a seperate day.

As for the Leshocks, I got tons of cool info on them, but I'll see if any of it adds up later this year and I'm sure everyone on this forum will hear about it. I never ment to insult you, and I really do hope you accept my apologies if you felt insulted in anyway.

>>THe crying face really pissed me off... so as soon as i saw that i went to right the reply without finishing the message like i should have... you obviously don't want to start a flame war either. Yes the tangerine coloration popped out of breeding hi yellows together and then were breed... thats what i was trying to say to begin with (that we selective breed hi yellows until we got tangerines). i hope there are no hard feelings and once again i want to stress to you the importance of debate i love discussing this and would like to discuss it further with you (especially the leshock albinos when you decide to release all your info) you can email me anytime psulax08@aol.com if you would like but plz for future don't insult someone on this forum if you disagree with what they are saying. i still don't necessarily agree that crossing to a sht would lower the value of a hybino that was say selective breed and outcrossed but i do believe that if they were outcrossed properly(with a wc specimen) that in the end since so much of the bloodline in the us is related you would end up with selective breed outcrossed tang albinos that were bigger and healthier then ones crossed with someones sht and therefor be worth more money.
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Justyn Miller
Intense Herpetoculture

I think you have lost me as well!!!

the cheap hybinos(tangerine albinos) that ray hine sells are the the ones that are not so stunning in colour. I have seen some stunners from him that have gone for $800

Ya um you dont get tang albinos from breeding tangs with albinos unless the tangs are het for albino...then you may get some tang albinos.The best way to get Tang-A's is 2 breed 2 pairs or tangs and albinoslike this

tangxalbino tangxalbino
offspringx offspring
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some tang albinos

I have no idea what aaronhoare is talking about. He seems to be misunderstanding what you are asking so I'll try to clarify things. You are correct that tangerine is a line bred trait and albino is recessive. Thus, breeding an albino to a very tangerine gecko would get you a somewhat tangerine gecko het for albino. Breeding this one to another from an albino x tang cross would then have the possibility of producing an albino with a more tangerine color. From that point on it becomes mostly selective breeding of the tangerine albinos to produce even better ones. It is really no different then producing super hypo tangerines except that the geckos happen to be albino as well. Hope that helps some.

Chad
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Leopard Gecko Genetics Calculator

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-Aaron-
1.2 rainwater albinos
0.1 hypo tang
2.4 hi yellow
1.3 tremper albinos
0.1 blizzard
0.1 leusistic
1.1 Patternless het albinos
0.1 Reverse Stripe Tangerine Albino
soon to be owner of
2 of mooses kids
1 Beautiful albino stripe adopted from Rob
E-mail me at GreatGobsOfGeckos@yahoo.com

Thanks for the replies on this. I was starting to become very frustrated after trying to explain what I already knew (that a tang crossed with an albino will not produce a tang albino!) and still being told I was wrong. I was in no way trying to be argumentive and it upset me that I was called so. I am only trying to learn more about my leos. Thanks for your help guys.

I pretty sure that that Ron Trempor tanginers out there never where produced from tangerine or SHT, they where just selective breeding of slightly tang albinos to produce a amazing animal. But maybe Ron did do it the other way but it was so far back I haven't heard.
Xavier
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Leopard Geckos
1.1 Tangerine trempor albino
0.2 blizzards
1.1 Super Hypo Carrot tails (both Baldy)
1 amel corn snake

1.0.0 Common snapping turtle
0.1.0 Belize slider
0.1.0 Egyptian tortoise
0.0.1 blackknobbed sawback
0.0.1 stripeneck musk
0.0.1 nothern DBT

>>I pretty sure that that Ron Trempor tanginers out there never where produced from tangerine or SHT, they where just selective breeding of slightly tang albinos to produce a amazing animal. But maybe Ron did do it the other way but it was so far back I haven't heard.
>>Xavier
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>>Leopard Geckos
>>1.1 Tangerine trempor albino
>>0.2 blizzards
>>1.1 Super Hypo Carrot tails (both Baldy)
>>1 amel corn snake
>>
>>1.0.0 Common snapping turtle
>>0.1.0 Belize slider
>>0.1.0 Egyptian tortoise
>>0.0.1 blackknobbed sawback
>>0.0.1 stripeneck musk
>>0.0.1 nothern DBT
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Leopard Geckos
1.1 Tangerine trempor albino
0.2 blizzards
1.1 Super Hypo Carrot tails (both Baldy)
1 amel corn snake

1.0.0 Common snapping turtle
0.1.0 Belize slider
0.1.0 Egyptian tortoise
0.0.1 blackknobbed sawback
0.0.1 stripeneck musk
0.0.1 nothern DBT