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How many of you bonifide burm owners,.....

BrianSmith Dec 17, 2003 09:57 PM

,.... also own retics?

I have noticed that the retic forum is just dead most of the time, and that even when it is hopping it is still only made up of a select few that keep a lot of retics and a few people that may own one. I'm just wondering how anyone that owns a burm or three can resist getting a retic or three. Is it because of the awful reputation retics have for being aggressive? If so, I must state right now that it is just not true. They are delightful snakes and really not any harder to keep than burmese. The only real differences between the two are that retics tend to be a lot more active and have a much more pugnacious feeding response.

So for anyone that is a serious herper/collector that is ever expanding your collection, may I suggest that you consider getting a reticulated python for your next snake.
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"If I had 365 enemies it would only take a year out of my life to settle all scores." Mia Miselfani

Replies (5)

Ryan Shackleton Dec 18, 2003 12:03 AM

I decided that IF I get a potential "giant", I only want one, so I have to choose between the two(actually three, what I really want is a TRUE Indian). On top of that, I just recently got my girlfriend used to my ball pythons. On one side, she's not scared of snakes, but on the other she's never been around them other than native colubrids in the backyard, so I think I'll wait before bringing home something that might outweigh either(or both) of us when it grows up. At one time or another I'll have one of the "big ones", but not right now.

By the way, I agree about retics not "typically" being as bad as their reputation, the ones a friend of mine had were great to handle.

Highlander1 Dec 18, 2003 12:16 AM

And have one as of now (did have 2 but for some odd reason and have yet to figure out why my male up and passed away about 2 mths ago so now i am back with just the female).Retics are much more fascinating to me than burms but i prefer burms for their predictable nature.Once i get a bigger place then i will be getting more retics but one is all i can handle at the moment(running out of cage space,need reptiles anonymous badly).Was wanting to try and breed her this year but now i'm without a male or space soooo that will have to wait.For now i'm concentrating more on redtails and b/ps but still am going to keep the bigger snakes until they or me pass away.Dont believe in the whole keep for a year and pass on to someone else trend.Once there,they stay just that there.From the experience i have with retics (about 4 yrs give or take a mth so far)is that they arent mean spirited like some believe they are but react accordingly to the situation at hand.The female i have isnt aggressive at all compared to what she used to be.The only time she is aggressive now is at feeding time or if you make any sudden movements towards her head,she does not like for her head to be touched.Retics are intelligent,fast and witty and are not for everyone IMO.Some people deserve to keep them others dont. Regards Bill McLeod

huricanmj Dec 18, 2003 11:18 AM

Well, I have thought of it, but haven't studied retics much. I am under the assumption that their size is greater than burms. I have small children who love to play with my boy, phil. I fear the feeding response would be activated with them playing with a retic. I am also wondering about size of males (girls are just too darn big). How do they compare to male burms? How are they with children? You mentioned retics being active, does that activity turn into feeding aggression during regular handling? Can I safely handle an adult male alone? (don't get me wrong, I always have my wife at home when I handle phil, but she doesn't want to get too involved unless it is an emergency. I keep snakes for life and don't want to live in fear of my pet working me over! lol! I keep in good shape to safely handle my boy, and feel comfortable with him.) How does the temperment of retics match with burms? Phil would rather sleep in my lap for hours rather than attack anything. Sorry for the random questioning, you sparked an interest in me about retics. Thank you for your help.

Marco
-stuck in Utah

BrianSmith Dec 18, 2003 04:15 PM

Marco stuck in Utah, (lol, i love this)

All of these questions have many different answers as it really comes right down to the individual that you get. So I am going to generalize a little bit here to try to realistically cover your questions with likely fitting answers.

While the length of the retics tends to be considerably greater than the burms, their girth/overall bulk is usually not. They generally have a much leaner frame and lighter weight. So in a sense they are actually easier to hold when they are bigger than a big burm. Plus, retics tend to hold you back unlike most burms which often loll about and hang. The only downside is that retics often tend to constantly be on the move, trying to get somewhere. And this can be a real pain because they get downright determined. They are very willful snakes and don't like to be restrained or inhibited in their movements. While I have never seen them become aggressive in any way when restricted, they certainly can become irritated and then even quicker in their movements and more determined to do what they want to do.

Retics have an incredible feeding response. More intense than any other python I have worked with. But this is usually only when they detect initial movement or activity. They tend to race for that object to investigate whether or not it is food. They have a tendency to strike first and ask questions later, so one must understand this and deal with it accordingly. By this I mean, condition them to recognize you by a repetetive means. Some people train their tics to recognize the feel of a hook. Others may have different methods. My method is to move very visibly in front of them but out of range (they have keen eyesight and can almost immediately discern that you are not in fact a 9 pound rabbit) and to keep their focus on an upper hand, while I bring a lower hand to just under their chin, but not touching them. The next time their tongue comes out it hits my hand and they immediately comprehend that I am me and they back away or lose interest and turn. By being under their chin my hand is "under their radar" of their heat sensing equipment. It works very well for me and I have never been bitten while exercising this technique. Though I do not suggest that anyone without substantial experience try this. Much can go wrong if you don't have a genuine understanding of how to work with them and read their movements.

But the point I am trying to reach here, is that once they know you are you it is highly unlikely that they will have any additional feeding responses. I have only once been bitten and taken as food after thinking I had established myself. I was in a hurry and was cutting corners and I failed to truly read in him that he understood it was me. I grabbed him too quick from his cage and he immediately went into feeding mode. Fortunately he was a relatively small male at about 8 feet. Still hurt like heck and I inadverdantly yelled like a baby, lol. He got me three times in about 10 seconds as I worked to unhook him each time. It's comical in hindsight and I must stress to everyone to never be in a hurry. If you are impatient or don't feel like working with them,. don't. Impatience leads to mistakes.

Other than that I have never had a tic have a feeding response outside of the cage once I was established. And this is thousands of times, so it speaks volumes for a pretty steady pattern. Still, never drop your guard, always expect it. (as with any snake)

Retic temperment is generally pretty easygoing these days. Out of all the retics I have (many) I only have one that is aggressive and she came to me this way as an adult. Had she come to me as a baby or juvie she'd be tame within a month. But I can't work the same with a girl that can literally take my head off. My method of taming involves allowing the young ones to bite me until they no longer see me as a threat.

As to the rest of my retics they are all docile and 99% predictable. And while all are docile, each has a different personality of sorts. No two tics are alike. (one cool aspect of tics) I like some much more than others. Some are [bleep]y and don't like to be held, others float up and over my shoulder and practically ask to be held. Others are so indifferent to me that I feel slighted and insulted, lol. (almost)

I don't think that anyone should handle an adult male alone. By this I mean 12' males. It just isn't good practice. If you are really apprehensive about the size you should go with a dwarf. They max out nearly half what the normal tics grow to. Just stress to whomever you buy from that you want a docile baby. By starting with a docile baby you are WAY ahead of the game.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

>>Well, I have thought of it, but haven't studied retics much. I am under the assumption that their size is greater than burms. I have small children who love to play with my boy, phil. I fear the feeding response would be activated with them playing with a retic. I am also wondering about size of males (girls are just too darn big). How do they compare to male burms? How are they with children? You mentioned retics being active, does that activity turn into feeding aggression during regular handling? Can I safely handle an adult male alone? (don't get me wrong, I always have my wife at home when I handle phil, but she doesn't want to get too involved unless it is an emergency. I keep snakes for life and don't want to live in fear of my pet working me over! lol! I keep in good shape to safely handle my boy, and feel comfortable with him.) How does the temperment of retics match with burms? Phil would rather sleep in my lap for hours rather than attack anything. Sorry for the random questioning, you sparked an interest in me about retics. Thank you for your help.
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>>Marco
>>-stuck in Utah
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"If I had 365 enemies it would only take a year out of my life to settle all scores." Mia Miselfani

huricanmj Dec 19, 2003 10:59 AM

I appreciate the time you took to respond to my questions. Your information has been very helpful and I will definately take it into consideration when looking at these awesome snakes. You have peeked my interest and I will begin to study retics more. The real test will be to convince my wife to let me have another snake!!!LOL

Thanks again,

Marco

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