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I saw a picture of a patternless and it was called a leucistic. Are they same thing or was the picture labled wrong? It showed a pic as a baby and an adult. The baby pic looks just like my patternless which is why I am wondering because the adult was awsome looking. Also does anybody have any pics of baby hypos? I was wondering because I just adopted a baby that has very light markings with few dots and lots of bright yellow with some oranges by the legs and base of the tail. It looks like there would be more orange on the tail but the tail is gone and just starting to grow back. It deffinately looks to me like it could be a hypo or maybe a hi-yellow.

Thanks in advance,

Jeremy
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Hi my name is Jeremy and I am a Reptiholic.

I don't know scientific names of leo's and stuff.. but that may just be what it is.. for example, panther gecko's are called pictus... and i know chameleons all have names like the one you saw on the picture.. but have simple versions of the name as well.

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1.0 Leo Gecko's
0.1 Pictus Gecko

There are no such thing as leucistic leopard geckos. Even though they are also known as patternless, we have yet to create a true leucistic.

M.N

That was I. Sorry,

(didnt realise my friends SN was still signed in)

M.N

Actually, blizzards should probably be considered leucistics. They fit almost all known uses of the word. The main reason people have a problem with the term is because they mistakenly think that a leucistic must always be completely white without any other color present except for the dark eyes. In fact, leucistic is a term that has no strict definition and varies greatly in its use depending on the type of animal it is describing. Leucistic Texas rat snakes happen to be completely white and thus people have come to believe that is a requirement. In fact, leucism is a term applied based on the way in which the mutated gene loci are effected. When the mutation results in a lack of melanin production the term albino is used. When the mutation results in a defect in the pathways that transport all colors (melanin, xanthin, erythrin) the term leucistic is normally used. Thus it is actually not surprising that a leucistic would show faint coloration of some sort such as the hints of yellow that some blizzards have since the defects in the transport pathways don't necessarily block out all color 100%. When used by bird breeders the term often indicates animals that appear "faded" but are not even close to being solid white. So basicly, blizzard does in fact fit most common definitions of leucism, just not the one that some people have developed based primarily on one example. Sorry for the long post but I just wanted to try and clear this up since it seems there is so much misunderstanding about this term.

Chad
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Leopard Gecko Genetics Calculator

The term leucistic was originally used to describe the leos that are now more widely referred to as patternless. Because of this, the two terms have become equated.

I agree that the blizzard lizard could be considered a "true leucistic", but because the term leucistic was already being used to refer to patternless it was not marketed as such.

Here's a pic of my male Morpheus with one of his daughters.

-Alice

np
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chickabowwow

3.2.3 leopard geckos (Rosie, Locke, Lisa, Caesar, Tommy)

I love the picture! He looks enormous in the picture!
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0.1 Pixie Frog (Killer)
1.1 Blizzard Leopard Geckos (Roscoe & Snowflake)
0.2 Normal Leopard Geckos (Lucky & Princess)

FYI: I have heard of people putting a baby with an adult for just a second and before they can stop it- baby becomes a tasty bite entree for mommy or daddy gecko

I wouldn't risk it, myself.
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Sarah Stettler aka Starling
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I had tried to post earlier but it didnt' go through......weird!!! Heres a pic of my hypo Dot and my patternless Lily. I'll have to do it in two posts though. The first pic is of Dot and Abby, my albino..

Dot has gotten so much more amazing with every shed....her tail is a nice bright orange too

Red

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Crested Gecko Zeek:1.0
LEOS: Boo: 1.0 normal , Bronx & Nala: 1.1 blizzard,
Lily: 0.1 patternless, Abby: 0.1 albino, Zoe: 0.1 reduced pattern, Dot: 0.1 hypo
Chip: 1.0 papillion (small dog)

The top pic is of Boo my normal male....The other pic is of Lily my patternless.

Red

P.S. I so need to get new pics of them all!!!!! HEHEHE

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Crested Gecko Zeek:1.0
LEOS: Boo: 1.0 normal , Bronx & Nala: 1.1 blizzard,
Lily: 0.1 patternless, Abby: 0.1 albino, Zoe: 0.1 reduced pattern, Dot: 0.1 hypo
Chip: 1.0 papillion (small dog)

Thanks everyone who posted, the info helped a lot. I still am not totally sure if my new adoptee is hypo or not. I will try to post a pic tomarrow. Here is a pic of my patternless, and dont worry he is on astroturf now the calci-sand was only for a night.

Thanks again,

Jeremy

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1.1 C. cerastes
1.0 Ball python
0.1 Columbian red tail
0.1 Argentine boa
0.1 Dumerils boa
0.0.1 Albino bannana cal king
1.1.3 Leopard geckos
1 Male albino
1 Female het albino, blizzard, jungle
1 ? albino
1 ? patternless
1 ? not normal but I dont know what it is
0.0.3 Rough skin newts
0.0.1 Whites tree frog