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Lele & I are in somewhat of a debate. We would like to know what supplements you are using & why.
Miner-all or Rep-Cal calcium w/d3 & Herptivite.

Thanks to all who respond.
Cricket

I've used both, and am not sure myself if one is better. Gutloading properly is probably more important in the long run as the cham is getting nutrition that has been metabolized by the prey...as they would in the wild.

one of the things we are wondering about specifically is the degradation of beta carotene once it is mixed with the Cal-D3 for dusting.

I agree that gutloading is by far the best way to go, but it's sort of like us - making sure we get balanced nutrition is sometimes difficult there fore we may take supplements. I know their is no definitive answer and that we (even the "experts" just don't know.

Do you know about Sticky Farm's new vitamin dust? (see post below) No link on their site.

lele

>>I've used both, and am not sure myself if one is better. Gutloading properly is probably more important in the long run as the cham is getting nutrition that has been metabolized by the prey...as they would in the wild.
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0.1 veiled - Luna
0.2 green anoles Jaida & Jetta
0.1 brown anole - Jamaica
0.2 house geckos - Gaia & Tia
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Líta

I also use both and I have used both for quite a while now. I do them on differrent days. Even though I keep them indoors, I use MinerAll O and give them the D3 through the Rep Cal Calcium with D3. I don't know about your questions on mixing the supplements... I've always done different supplements on different days.
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Tyler Stewart
Las Vegas NV
www.BLUEBEASTREPTILE.com

according to RepCal their Herptivite, which contains beta carotene, breaks down once it is combined with the RepCal. I may stop the Herptivite and use Miner-all instead..
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0.1 veiled - Luna
0.2 green anoles Jaida & Jetta
0.1 brown anole - Jamaica
0.2 house geckos - Gaia & Tia
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Líta

If you stored the two together there probably will be degradation. If they only "meet" when you are actively dusting I bet there isn't much at all.

I was telling Lele that I mix Rep-Cal calcium w/D3, Rep-Cal Herptivite, and Miner-All Indoor all together in a large salt shaker. And indeed, the Herptivite label says to mix it with the calcium before using. The label says that the beadlets of beta carotene could be damaging to the calcium if it were to be mixed during manufacturing.
If you have any herptivite, please read the label & tell me what you think about it. I'd like to know if "my way" is actually safe for my reptiles.
Thanks,
Cricket

Cricket,

As Carlton pointed out there should be little problem if we mix it right before using so as good as your salt shaker idea is it may negate the calcium. Anyway, I don't think it will hurt your herps but it may become useless in some sense. Personally I think I will stick to making fresh each time and eventually switch to Sticky Farms new vitamin product to replace the herptivite (if I can locate it!)

lele

>>I was telling Lele that I mix Rep-Cal calcium w/D3, Rep-Cal Herptivite, and Miner-All Indoor all together in a large salt shaker. And indeed, the Herptivite label says to mix it with the calcium before using. The label says that the beadlets of beta carotene could be damaging to the calcium if it were to be mixed during manufacturing.
>> If you have any herptivite, please read the label & tell me what you think about it. I'd like to know if "my way" is actually safe for my reptiles.
>> Thanks,
>> Cricket
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0.1 veiled - Luna
0.2 green anoles Jaida & Jetta
0.1 brown anole - Jamaica
0.2 house geckos - Gaia & Tia
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Líta

Lele,
LLL Reptile Supply has it on sale right now. Just click on their ad on Kingsnakes main page.
Hope this helps,
Cricket

It's not the Miner-All I can't find it is their new product. When I spoke to Stephen Davison (co-owner/author Sticky Tongue)last summer he said they were coming out with a vitamin supplement. I will email them and inquire - I'll post when I hear back

lele
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0.1 veiled - Luna
0.2 green anoles Jaida & Jetta
0.1 brown anole - Jamaica
0.2 house geckos - Gaia & Tia
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Líta

Yes it is. They have it listed on the right side of their main page under SPECIALS.
Sticky Farms Miner-All Indoor Formula $5.59
Try it again Lele. It's not on the buy 3 get 1 free list.
Cricket

I probably could have written that better. Sticky Tongue Farms has a NEW product called Vit-All (or something like that) that Steve (STF owner) told me about last summer. He said it was due on the market this fall (or so I recall).

OK, I just did a search (something I probably should have done 5 messages ago! LOL :/) It IS called Vit-All and LLL Reptile, Scales and others carry it.

Mystery and confusion solved!

lele

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0.1 veiled - Luna
0.2 green anoles Jaida & Jetta
0.1 brown anole - Jamaica
0.2 house geckos - Gaia & Tia
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Líta

...the Vit-All is on the buy 3 get 1 free. For my few critters it would probably expire before I used it all! LOL!
Link

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0.1 veiled - Luna
0.2 green anoles Jaida & Jetta
0.1 brown anole - Jamaica
0.2 house geckos - Gaia & Tia
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Líta

Vit All is a cricket gutload not a vitamin supplement you add to the crickets. You mix it with water and feed it to the crickets a few hours before feeding your animals.

Miner-All and Rep Cal calcium primarily serve the same purpose. We use Miner-All since it seems to be finer and sticks to the crickets better (and longer). This gets more into your reptiles.

Herptivite is a vitamin supplement. We just add this to our Miner-All on the days that we use it so there is little degradation.

We are phasing our the use of Herptivite as the Vit All gut load provides those vitamins, as well as hydrating your crickets. Feeding nutritious crickets to your animals is the secret to healthy reptiles.
Scales - Premium Exotic Reptiles

I saw that you and LLL Reptile offer this. I guess I didn't read the details and ASSUMED (bad, girl!) it was a vitamin dust. Steve probably told me it was a gutload, but my head was just "dusty." LOL!

Thanks again!

lele

>>Vit All is a cricket gutload not a vitamin supplement you add to the crickets. You mix it with water and feed it to the crickets a few hours before feeding your animals.
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>>Miner-All and Rep Cal calcium primarily serve the same purpose. We use Miner-All since it seems to be finer and sticks to the crickets better (and longer). This gets more into your reptiles.
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>>Herptivite is a vitamin supplement. We just add this to our Miner-All on the days that we use it so there is little degradation.
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>>We are phasing our the use of Herptivite as the Vit All gut load provides those vitamins, as well as hydrating your crickets. Feeding nutritious crickets to your animals is the secret to healthy reptiles.
>>Scales - Premium Exotic Reptiles
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0.1 veiled - Luna
0.2 green anoles Jaida & Jetta
0.1 brown anole - Jamaica
0.2 house geckos - Gaia & Tia
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Líta

One more thing, I also gut-load my crickets.
Cricket