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I bought two amel corns from TK Reptile about a month or so ago. Both of them ate two meals apiece, then began regurging every meal after that. I gave them 10 days, tried to feed them, they would not eat this last feeding. #1 would grab it and the drop it every time, #2 just was not interested.

I noticed their little bellies were blue-black in color, so soaked them today thinking they may have been constipated.

#1 spewed out this:

#2 spewed out this:

I am at a total loss on these two. What could cause this kind of stool? #1's looked like he had been drinking mountain dew! YUCK!

Thanks for any help,
Cat
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I think thoose are the first speeeew pics I've seen.

If you saved it I would get a vet to do a floatation and check for parasites. The blue black bellies sounds bad, it may be of value to soak them again in warm water and see if it helps them to pass anything else that may be in there.

If they have been regurgitating alot I would consider using a cathater and giving them fluids like Pedialite or gateraid. Or better yet have the vet give them some saline sub Q.
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I doubt I need to tell you BUT make sure you keep them quarantined from the rest of your collection!

Good Luck!
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>>I doubt I need to tell you BUT make sure you keep them quarantined from the rest of your collection!
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>>Good Luck!
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>>The Cause Is Hidden, The Results Well Known.
>>-carl3

They are nowhere near the rest of my collection.

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>>I think thoose are the first speeeew pics I've seen.
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>>If you saved it I would get a vet to do a floatation and check for parasites. The blue black bellies sounds bad, it may be of value to soak them again in warm water and see if it helps them to pass anything else that may be in there.
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>>If they have been regurgitating alot I would consider using a cathater and giving them fluids like Pedialite or gateraid. Or better yet have the vet give them some saline sub Q.
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They have been drinking water, and I soaked them for a bit longer with no more poo. I'll try some pedialite.

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they are urates it looks like to me..........you know.....pee........solid ,it's ok...white is fine......green is odd....I get green a little but not the color yu got......?..did yuo or anyone give them gaterade?........

I could never figure out where I get green r blueish green tints frm in the urates....maybe too much copper in the water I always thought??? and maybe some snakes filter it ot mre tan others? or stre it.....

anyways......feed them....they shold have brown feces and white urates..........

if they eat and defecate and shed...all is ok........

.......yep..........JYReptiles

np.

Ive seen both.When i had burmese pythons i would sometimes get a green poop out of them..Have no idea why and it never hurt them.As for your white poop problem it looks like that feces stayed in way to long.How old are these snakes?Did you get a gaurantee with them?I would find it odd that both snakes are regurgers.I would contact the person you bought them from and try to get some answers from him....Good Luck Paul..

>>Ive seen both.When i had burmese pythons i would sometimes get a green poop out of them..Have no idea why and it never hurt them.As for your white poop problem it looks like that feces stayed in way to long.How old are these snakes?Did you get a gaurantee with them?I would find it odd that both snakes are regurgers.I would contact the person you bought them from and try to get some answers from him....Good Luck Paul..

They are hatchling corn snakes.. maybe a few months old at best. They both came from the same source, and I have contacted them with only one response back telling me they were fine when they were there.

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"They were healthy when they were here" is a really bad respose to this type of problem in the two snakes you got from them! I would not accept that from the breeder by any means! Sounds like a pet store? I would take the poo into the vet and have it checked for parasites or perhaps bacteria. I have never seen anything like that white poop, it needs to be check. You haven't had them long enough for you to be the reason they'd be pooping that kind of stuff.

Get a vet report, show it to the person you got the snakes from, and demand either replacement, or refund. I can't believe they blew you off so quickly like that You should let us know where you got them so we all know to be cautious buying from them.
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>>"They were healthy when they were here" is a really bad respose to this type of problem in the two snakes you got from them! I would not accept that from the breeder by any means! Sounds like a pet store? I would take the poo into the vet and have it checked for parasites or perhaps bacteria. I have never seen anything like that white poop, it needs to be check. You haven't had them long enough for you to be the reason they'd be pooping that kind of stuff.
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>>Get a vet report, show it to the person you got the snakes from, and demand either replacement, or refund. I can't believe they blew you off so quickly like that You should let us know where you got them so we all know to be cautious buying from them.

I wrote her an email last night, as these two have only been here a month now. She replied back with the same-and again tried to say it was something with my care of them. If it was something with my care, why are these the only two sickly ones? All my other baby corns (in separate rooms) are healthy and eating well-its just these two who have problems.

I doubt she will ever give me a refund/replacement-I certainly hope any others who bought baby corns from her haven't had the same problem.

I'm going to take their next feces into the vet to have a fecal done. Not too happy about this-I've thought maybe it was the mice I fed them, but then why aren't any of my other snakes sick? They also only ate twice in my care!

Unfortunately it is against kingsnakes' TOS to post names.

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thanks for emailing me. That is just plain BAD BUSINESS! And only confirms my belief in buying from the ones I KNOW care about their animals, and their reputation. I would continue to badger her myself. It's not like they just don't eat, or just regurge, that is some strange poo! And if you have other babies, eating from the same bag of mice and doing wonderfully, and you've only had them a month, she needs to do something to make this right.

I hope after passing that mess, they can maybe start getting better, but either way, she owes you something. If nothing else at least an admission that she could have possibly sold not so healthy snakes. I had a breeder contact me when one of my babies never thrived and eventually died. The breeder contacted me and offered a replacement! That's the kind of breeder we should all aspire to be. And this lady is far below that level of service. I know I won't buy from her.

Good luck, I hope they are able to get better
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>>thanks for emailing me. That is just plain BAD BUSINESS! And only confirms my belief in buying from the ones I KNOW care about their animals, and their reputation. I would continue to badger her myself. It's not like they just don't eat, or just regurge, that is some strange poo! And if you have other babies, eating from the same bag of mice and doing wonderfully, and you've only had them a month, she needs to do something to make this right.
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>>I hope after passing that mess, they can maybe start getting better, but either way, she owes you something. If nothing else at least an admission that she could have possibly sold not so healthy snakes. I had a breeder contact me when one of my babies never thrived and eventually died. The breeder contacted me and offered a replacement! That's the kind of breeder we should all aspire to be. And this lady is far below that level of service. I know I won't buy from her.
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>>Good luck, I hope they are able to get better
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See, that is how I view it. If one of my snakes bred here were to get sick in someone else's care within 30 days or so, I'd feel more than obligated to replace it or do a refund.

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yes....some people tat make alot of money and sell alot of snakes ave guarentees ........usually 48 hours.......

I feel that I hate to give a 30 minute guarentee........people are stupid and will kill a snake really quickly.......trust me.....

tey feed them wrong.....use no heat...too much heat....bad water......wrong lids on tanks....air conditioned rooms with no heat.........full sunlight shining into the tank all day with a heat rock als turned on fully.......etc etc etc.....

trust me......sell a snake....people go to the car at a show...then came back in abut an hour.."""IT DIED"" and I don't know why......well...it's stiff as a board and rigermortis set in already...."you fried it in a car with the windows up""....they say no.....I say yes....give them a snek anyways and hopefully remember what they loo like the next time they come around.......(I will not sell to them at all if I do remember..........)

so.......

I think these snakes are ok if they eat and all......

saking too much?......bad water?.......too many meds or chemicals?..........

good luck.........JY

I think 30 days is a pretty reasonable garauntee, and longer is better. I don't think I've even seen anyone with a 48hr garauntee, it can take more than 2 days to find something wrong....If all I was given was a 48hr garantee, I wouldn't order the animal. I know people are stupid, and many will do just as you said, fry them in the car on the way home. But in order to be a good business person, you have to deal with those people, and still care about the other customers who do care for their animals and deserve at least some sort of garantee that they are getting a good, healthy animal. Dealing with people isn't easy, but as a breeder it's one of the most important part of the business, with the exception of the animals of course.
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look at alot of people's terms in their sites...after recieving animals......must yell me of a problem within 48 hours .,... ..some say 72....some say a week........

most say that animals at airport must be picked up in timely fashion....which means we don't trust the airports for even hours.........

.......this is why I wholesale...........alot........and like it that way..........let the pet shop deal with the loss......

h...yea.....they can.....they give me $20 for a $40 snake...then sell it for $59.99.............(or 80)*

so.......

yes.....IF all people would pay me total retail prices,,I could deal with their losses..........but they pay alot less here in Pa......to many cheap people and too many breeders.......

.......sold 4 balls to a big breeder.....and took some home....all ate for me that next day.....(young balls).....from show.........sold just one...at 150.........online prices.....250.........they emailed within a couple days...it won't eat -it won't eat.......?...how can people pick the one ball that will not eat from a batch?........they always do.......wanted to trade or probably get money back later.....sorry...........told them how I fed and what.......later....2 weeks maybe.......oh....it's cool....eats fine.........yes...I know that....or it wouldn't be 3 months old...it would be rotting in the pile at the end of my yard with the other non-eaters.........(*feed baby king cobras lots of babies...every year)

people want perfection yet do not have perfect setups or feeder supplies.........and they always want it now.............not in 30 days anyways....they want it to eat within a half hour of getting it........(most of the animals I have ever gotten have eaten and looked good in an hour)(you can tell if it's not well)

........hot rocks ,150 watt heat lamp,in an air conditioned room with sunlight on it and 2 cats ,3 smokers and a dog........dry peat moss bedding........feeding frozen thawed ,gas smelling pinks,that they left out too long and touched snake as feeding......while kids all watched.......then wonder why???????.....LOL

I quit..........

........have fun.......JY

I can totally understand your point of view. I guess I just haven't become that cynical yet

I used to work as a receptionist in a busy pediatrics office. If anyone has met stupid people, I have! Sometimes I'd wonder why in the world the universe would allow these people to breed! And I have no patience for stupidity, but somehow managed to be "nice" to these morons. I'm sure these same people are the ones who would gladly buy a snake, set it in the back window of the car on a 95deg day and go shop for an hour or two. And then wonder why it died.

I've only begun in corns, and will never be making any money at it I'm sure. I just do it because I like to, and only sell locally, to people who I either know, or know they have other snakes and can properly care for mine. I would feel awful if one of them took a baby home and couldn't get it to eat, and I'd more than likely exchange it, and try to get the baby back up to speed myself. Mainly for the animal, not for the person who bought the baby. I would also do wholesale probably if I was breeding more than I could keep. That's part of the reason I'll probably always be a small time "hobby" breeder.

However...even in large scale, some cases need to be looked at individually. I hope his snakes get better, but if they were my snakes, I'd be expecting the breeder to at least be trying to help, not just saying "they were healthy here". That sounds like a person who's in it for the $, and doesn't care much about the animals she produces. But that's just my opinion
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1.0 Candy Cane (Kane)
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yep

I've lost alot of money giving them a new one.....getting the ld one to eat again..and again......and I've watched people buy them cheap.....get mice elsewhere....then give them to the pet shop 5 years later.......?....."I did think about you but gave it to them.".....yep...now how about my book I loaned you 3 years ago......?.....can I have it back r was our meeting a total loss?.......(yep).....

and these are mostly locals and ""friends"...cough....

I am very cynical.......*(the real word starts with a letter A and has a hole in it)..........

after 30 years of breeding something or other.....I am still amazed at how stupid people are with critters......

the key to learning....asking 1 million stupid questions....and the real key is REMEMBERING the answers........

.......stories can go on and on.......

hopefully I can produce 600 good eggs this year ,then I will be a.o.k. to sell at my will........wholesale.....all the way..........LOL

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.............I am usually as nice as I am mean.......

it evens out..........

JY

I would be demanding my money back.Like Ice said i would get them to a vet.Sounds like someone dumped there problems on you.Before i do an online purchase i check into the backgrounds of whom im dealing with.You would be surprised how many reptile dealers are on the B.B.B. craplist.There are some big name dealers that frequent this chat room, anyone of them would set you up with some nice healthy snakes...Paul.

to my untrained eye...the second picture look like urates...if the snakes have been reguratating their last couple meals, the one could have just passed urates without any solid material at all. The green stuff..no clue if that is normal or not. To me it looks like the snake swollowed some sort of substrate.

These are just my guesses, certainly don't take them as educated guesses cause when it comes to cornsnakes, I am far from an expert. A vet examination certainly would find out if they have any parasites.