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The hatchlings are now gaining 2-4 grams per week. This is a major increase. Before i put them in the adults cage they gained only 1-2 grams every 2-3 weeks. So there is a major improvement in growth. Also, the hatchlings aren't that agressive towards eachother, i think it is because the adult male and female are the dominant ones, so the hatchlings see no need to become dominant. They definately have their pecking order, but when they are with the adults they aren't as agressive towards eachother. I tested this buy taking the adults out for 2 days to see if the larger cage effected them or the adults, and it was mostly the adults. These are based on my findings when hatchlings are housed with adults: hatchlings get along with eachother better, and become more tolerant of cagemates. Having a larger cage rapidly increases their growth. having digable dirt also helps increases growth. Eating dry foods at 4 months does not get them impacted. These are what i come across when i did my little experiment. Because of all of these positives i think you should house hatchlings with their parents on a dirt substrate with dry foods available at all times.
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Mike
1.1.3 maliensis (Spike, Marshmellow, Brown, Green, Orange)
0.2 Female U. Acanthinurus-Werneri x
0.1 Pit Bull/German Shephard/ Lab/ ect. mix (Kodak) - looks like an over grown toco bell dog.

Congratulations, on your girl being gravid, gee, sounds as if your doing a Smashing GOOD JOB !

Eve

i don't think you are on the right track with the socializing of the animals. seems you have had little problem so far, but be careful...

in my experience, socializing as groups works best when the animals are kept together since hatching.

without getting into it too much in depth here, you can read an aspect of our socializing theory in my paper "Monitor Breeding Strategies" on our site, for those interested.
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robyn@proexotics.com

Pro Exotics Reptiles

the hatchlings have been together off and on since they hatched. In 4 months they were probably separated for less than 2 weeks, so they already know eachother. It is safer to house uros with a larger size difference than with the same size, so haveing the adults with the hatchlings is ok, and since the hatchlings have basically been together since they hatched it seems pretty safe. Since i have been doing this for a month with no problems i cant see any problems other than when the hatchlings mature and they try to become the dominant animals, that is the only time i can see where i would have a problem. I am going to start selling the hatchlings after the next clutch hatches and is ready to be housed in the adults cage, so i wont have the dominant/submissive problem in the future when all the hatchlings are mature. So I am going to sell hatchlings when they are about 8 months old. Instead of selling them when they are 4 months old and having no hatchlings to take care of for 4 months i am going to sell them when they are 8 months old so i will have hatchlings all year round. In the future i am going to sell them when they are 1 year old, but since my female started to brumate really early this year everything is off by 4 months. Also, the second my uros started to show signs of brumated i put them in brumation, even though it was as early as August. I thought i screwed up the brumation by making it too early, too short, and too cold(low 50's during deepest part). But now i have hatchlings. So my successful way of brumating is early, short, and very cold. Some of you might think i almost killed them, but i checked on them multiple times a day seeing if they were breating normal, and if they would move if i touched them.

Wow, a little off topic, but what i am trying to say is i think there is no danger in houseing well established clutches with thier parents. I am also trying to say, try different ways of brumating and see what happpens. Another thing, I hatched my uros at 92-95 degrees F. Since they were mostly at 92 it took 76 days to hatch, so i am going to make it 93-95 to speed up the incubation.
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Mike
1.1.3 maliensis (Spike, Marshmellow, Brown, Green, Orange)
0.2 Female U. Acanthinurus-Werneri x
0.1 Pit Bull/German Shephard/ Lab/ ect. mix (Kodak) - looks like an over grown toco bell dog.

Hi,
I was always wary about introducing new uros to my young male (1.5yrs) Mali, which was a good thing, but I had no problems introducing a young female Mali roughly the same size, and a couple months later a female Indian, who is the same size as the male. I know the best way is probably introduce smaller uros to larger uros' cages, but I have had no problems with my 3 Uros being together, and I watch them every single day. They love each other. Maybe it was just luck that they all got along, but I am starting to think that Uros aren't as territorial (unless WC, and not handled) as everyone makes them out to be. All 3 were CB so that may have made a difference, even though the Indian acts like a WC (and may be for all I know)... Where did everyone get the impression that Indians have wonderful personalities? Mine is a crazy Uro that absolutely hates people. My Malis are much calmer and friendlier. Anyways, all 3 get along and my point was that I have come to find that CB Uros of the same size can be introduced and live together without problems, in some cases, so people shouldn't rule that option out right away, as it sounds some people are Just wanted to share since it came as a surprise to me after reading about how this usually wouldn't work, and the Uros would fight!
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~Sarah
1.1 Mali Uromastyx (Draco and Pumpkin)
0.1 Indian Uromastyx (Cheddar)
1.0 Russian Tortoise (Pookie)
8.9.22 Millipedes (9 different species)

Well, my three yearling Mali's who have gotten along very well have suddenly decided not to! Everyone of them is fighting, and I'm having to come up with different cage options for them! Very frustrating, and expensive! They have been together for months, but now they really harrass each other! So don't be too quick to throw a bunch together! I did try putting one of the yearlings in with an adult adoptee, and the adult grabbed him by the leg and did a crocodile roll and threw him across the cage!!! Ugh!! So Christmas break for me will be building more cages!
Beth