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In and out like a snake's tongue ...

michael56 Dec 24, 2003 03:29 PM

Hello people,
I've been in and out of the forum (keeping an eye on you) for a while now as I've sorted out what I'm doing with me (been very self centred lately). Not the least of which, after over 27 years with the same employer I've "relocated", a good thing I feel!

At the same time and throughout this I've been desperately working with my nerodia. Specifically, I had a full blood work and tissue sample culture analysis done on two snakes (both pictiventris males with eye infections). Cutting to the chase, I'm not pleased with the procedure, process or outcome! In fact, I'm not sure what the next step will be.

Trying to keep this short (shorter) the vet bills, tests (lab work) costs and medication are adding up significantly, in particular this last bout. More painful by far is the lack of positive results. Briefly and first the vet noted that one snake (the first to develop infection) had an eye cap retained (of course my reaction was suprise and shame) and before I could respond, she removed the brille. Not realizing that I had been EXTREMELY attentive to this possibility and had counted every eye cap at sheds and that the eye cap was grossly swollen at the time of "diagnosis" within a few days it was clear that she had removed the (only) brille and the snake has since lost his eye. Further to this, the lab results where not decisive and the month long injections of antibiotics I'd been directed to give have had no effect, positive or otherwise.
The vet is hailed as the best and most experienced with regard to herps in BC and is responsible for the local zoo animals. It may well be that these procedures were the last, best hope to save the snake's eyes or lives, I don't know ... but my heart aches for them! And the potential for future on-going infection of these and transmission to the others still remains.
Notwithstanding the above, I am undaunted! I've been an inspector for almost 3 decades, I've aquired a top of the line microscope and I'm endeavoring to develop an education for it's use. I will identify the little bugs that are worrying my snakes and I will kill them! I feel so much better now that I got that off my chest.
On a happier note, all the other waters are doing pretty good. The little greens continue to be a point of concern with their wild caught scars and scabs but still eat, grow and mostly hide. The rest are remarkabley healthy. A special note regarding the mangroves, these are (as read in the post below) the sweetest most charming, all-terrain snakes I've ever had!
Merry Christmas everyone,
Michael

Replies (7)

PiersonH Dec 26, 2003 09:07 AM

I'm sorry to hear about those pictiventris. I can't imagine what the problem is as I've never heard of anything like it. It looks to me like you are doing everything possible to fix it, though. Good luck.

Glad to hear the Mangroves are doing well for you. I knew they would.

I heard through the grapevine that you got a digital camera for x-mas. PICS! PICS! PICS!
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Pierson Hill

Herpetology and Herpetoculture

michael56 Dec 26, 2003 12:33 PM

Hey there! It's good to see that the "water's" PH is up. Yes indeed, my dear wife has blessed me with a camera and assorted gadgets to download photos - only I still have to check to ensure that my ancient computer has all the right ports! Nevertheless, I shall be pic'ing away at the snakes for sure!

How are you and yours? and ... are you going somewhere on an actual, professional herp sorte' in the near future?
Michael

PiersonH Dec 26, 2003 05:03 PM

I hope you can get that gadget working soon...I'm anxious to see more pics of all your giants.

All my Nerodia are doing well, all feeding and growing normally. I'm having to rescue feed my adult pair of Redbellies that my dad was "taking care of" while I was at school this fall. They were all skin and bones when I got home but they've been taking rat pups the last few days and are starting to regain their strength.

As far as herpingx trips, I'll be escaping the herpless winter of the Northern Hemisphere and heading to Australia at the end of January. I'll be there for 3 and a half months taking classes on rainforest ecology, environmental economics, and of course, catching snakes in my spare time. I'll be offline during that time but I'll be returning with gobs of pics for you to enjoy (if I'm lucky enough to return).
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Pierson Hill

Herpetology and Herpetoculture

michael56 Dec 26, 2003 07:01 PM

Well, bless your Dad for "trying". Several years ago (20) I left town for 4 1/2 months and left my pregnant wife in charge of our two children and 30" retic python. When I returned the kids had grown an inch or so and the snake was over 5 feet long! The rat-sucker had aquired an attitude that "if it's near the cage and moves, it's food!" I raise gentle, mild-mannered nerodia only now.
And what's this "if I'm lucky enough ..."? Planning on catching a king brown with your face? Lips are great but tongs work better! Or perhaps you intend to get a position at the Australia Zoo? Roight, Oim Steve and this is me myte, Croc-bait ... Oi mean Pierson. He may be gnarly but he's OK. Yeh, he's a yank alroight but so is me woife Terry!
You make me so jealous I could spit!
anyway, gotta go to the store (when it opens) and get a USB adapter.
Michael

PiersonH Dec 28, 2003 06:29 AM

Rest assured, I have tongs (thanks to Santa!) with wich to catch the King Browns. In fact, it's not the elapids I'm worried about but the stinging trees, box jellies, salties, and sharks. There is a lot of prickly stuff over there to get your life stuck on. It'll be fun either way.

30" in 4 months!? Did she feed it the baby!?
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Pierson Hill

Herpetology and Herpetoculture

michael56 Dec 28, 2003 01:11 PM

Well, actually ... two weeks before I got back into town she (my wife)left the tank lid ajar. The snake had escaped of course. It was after two and a half months (days before she delivered our daughter) that during one of my nightly searches, I spotted the snake coming out of the ceiling in the basement. In fact it had been seven months and an entire bag of frozen thawed rats since I'd seen him last. Emotionally I had given up on finding him but ... you know the sickness! Anyway, instead of a thready little 30" snake, I yarded out 5 feet of now wild, outraged, golden-eyed python; really, really beautiful!
That, coupled with it's attitude and outstanding growth with a new baby days away (having escaped once) we parted on excellent terms.
From there came kingsnakes (prolific) kingsnakes. Dozens and dozens - 17 species and eggs laid/hatching galore! Too much for a new dad and ANOTHER baby on the way! So life came full circle to (drum roll please),(thankyou) the joy of my youth ... water snakes!
Got carried away there, did'nt I ...?
Michael

Justin Stricklin Dec 29, 2003 07:42 PM

Wow! You should try to catch some monitors and take pics of them too. Or the file snakes. I've been gone for much of the reaon michaels been gone. i have been checking on what all is happenning on here though.
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Justin

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