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I know its mor than just putting two morph together cause you would just get normals with hets. So how does Kathy and Rich come up with traits like butter motleys or hypo Bloodreds. Just curious. If I ever wanted to play with genetics I would kinda like to know what it takes in the long run.
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"whats with you and all those dang reptiles?"

What you are describing are actually double or even triple recessive animals. Lets take butter motley as an example. You could breed a butter corn to a normal motley corn. The babies would all be normals, but would be het for butter and motley. You would then have to raise the babies and breed them to each other in the attempt to produce the double recessive butter motley. Not sure what the odds would be in this case, but I think at best only 1/16th (one out of 16 babies) would be double recessive (or even triple recessive considering butter is actually an amel caramel) and be a butter motley. Thats why these double and triple recessive babies are so expensive when first produced. If the hets don't produce enough eggs for the percentages to work out or some of the eggs die, the odds of losing the butter motley would decrease dramatically from the already low odds.

KevinM

IMHO. You first must take a pair of snakes with the desired traits for the snake you wish to produce. Say you want to produce a lavender stripe. You would breed a lavender to a normal stripe. The F2 would be normal het lavender het stripe. The f2 when breed together would produce in the F3 generation. Normals, lavenders, stripes, and lavender stripes, with possible het for stripe and lavender.

The odds are not good 1/16 for producing a double recessive snake and 1/64 for a triple recessive trait. This is where the cost comes into the picture. It can take years and lots of genetic grab bag snake to produce the desired morph.

These grab bag snakes usually have to be let go cheap, because most breeders do not want snakes that are possible het anything. So a breed takes a female that can make morphs that are say $100 an uses her to produce tons of snakes that are worth $20. This is why the triple and double recessive are expensive.

For the hobbist though, these grab bag snakes are great, because when breed together they will make numerious morphs. It's like christmas when the eggs hatch, you never know what you will get.

TOM

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Thanks that is what Id thought but wanted soem clearing up..sounds like Ill be having some fun in the future.
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1.1 Leos
1.1 Corn snakes (1 Lav & 1 Ghost)
0.1 Banan California King
0.0.1 Childrens python
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow boa
1.0 Rat (as pet not food)
1.0 Cat
"whats with you and all those dang reptiles?"

You have a nice pair of corns to breed together.

If you breed your lavender to the ghost the offspring will all be normal het lavender, hypo and anery. Breed together you can make hypo lavenders, lavenders, hypos, ghosts, anerys, lavender anerys (never seen before), and lavender ghosts (never seen before).

Not a bad project to undertake. IMHO

If you do I would be willing to take a couple of the F2 offspring off your hands.

Tom

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that is exactly why i was posting a quetion. I got the pai from Kathy Love and planned to breed them. I will probably get a lav female and breed the male to both so ill have one fun little project.
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1.1 Leos
1.1 Corn snakes (1 Lav & 1 Ghost)
0.1 Banan California King
0.0.1 Childrens python
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow boa
1.0 Rat (as pet not food)
1.0 Cat
"whats with you and all those dang reptiles?"

By the way no prob on you getting some of the f2's.
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1.1 Leos
1.1 Corn snakes (1 Lav & 1 Ghost)
0.1 Banan California King
0.0.1 Childrens python
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow boa
1.0 Rat (as pet not food)
1.0 Cat
"whats with you and all those dang reptiles?"