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What kind of Ball Python breeding groups do you all have set up?
(Example. 1.0 Albino and 0.2 Het. for Albino or 1.1 Hypo and 0.2 Het. for Hypo)
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This is what I have breeding together in 2003-2004

2000 Albino male to 2000 albino female
1999 albino het female #1
1999 albino het female #2
WC Green ghost male to Normal Female
2001 Pied male to 2001 pied female #2
1998 het pied female #1
50% het pied female
50% het pied female
2002 Pied male to 2000 albino female
2000 possible dh snow male # 2 to possible het daughter
possible het daughter
2000 possible dh snow male # 4 to possible het daughter
possible het daughter

2001 50 possible clown het male to Normal Female
2001 50 possible clown het male to Normal Female
2001 50 possible clown het male to Normal Female
2001 50 possible clown het male to Normal Female
2001 50 possible clown het male to Normal Female
1999 het pied male to 1999 het pied female
2000 possible het male #1 to Normal Female
2000 100% het caramel male to 100% caramel female

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RicK Denmon

Ball Boutique,Inc.

Demo, you so crazzzyyyyy!
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Greg Holland
G&M HERPS
www.imageevent.com/gmherps
gmherps@sbcglobal.net

The most interesting one I'm going to try is a 66% chance het caramel to a 50% chance het albino. The odds suck but it's the best I can do to test a wild theory I had that albino and caramel might be alleles (I'm hoping to produce a caramel looking double het). If anyone has already bred caramel to albino please let me know so I can save myself the time and probable wasted year on this female.

DMV Reptiles

I don't think anyone has produced it yet, but i'm pretty sure some people are working on it. I don't know what this morph would look like, probably a lighter caramel with more yellow.
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I'm not actually interested in producing a double homozygous albino caramel (you never know but I suspect the caramel would be wasted and totally covered by the albino appearance). I'm just interested in knowing if the initial double hets would be normal looking as expected or not. If anyone has done or is doing this year the initial albino X caramel cross and can confirm this then I won’t have to do it since my breeding will probably not tell me much as I don't even know if I have two het breeders much less which offspring might be double hets.

The only reason I got to thinking about the possibility of albino and caramel being alleles (different mutations of the same gene) is that it could explain a situation where some balls that where sold as het caramels appear to only be het albino. If the two mutations are alleles of each other rather than independent as assumed then the double het will not look normal and it might be possible that an imported "caramel" looking male might be a double het rather than a homozygous caramel as anyone would normally assume to start with. A quick cross between a caramel from a line that isn’t know to throw albinos and an albino from a line not bred into caramels should answer this question. Unfortunately, it would be a pretty expensive answer as even an adult albino female is a pretty expensive test subject to possibly waste a year on. Maybe one could answer it with hets and a little luck but unless a non normal baby hatched you wouldn’t know but what you just missed the double het.