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runny eyes

Shelly1 Jan 01, 2004 02:19 PM

I am a new owner of a tortoise (red foot). I have had it a couple of weeks. She is probably 3 month old or so. Within the last couple of days she has developed runny eyes. It is a thin watery discharge, not thick. She does not like to open one eye.
Can someone give me advise.

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EJ Jan 01, 2004 03:11 PM

There are a few species of tortoises with the RF being one one of them where the eyes will tear when the air is dry. I don't worry about it because it doesn't seem to bother the tortoise.
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gabycher Jan 01, 2004 04:26 PM

I agree with Ed,- a lot of people seem to observe this with their redfoots.
Since you have a hatchling though, I would still try to increase the humidity in her / his enclosure. Try to mist more and use a substrate, that holds humidity well. Covering at least part of the enclosure with a plexiglass plate or the like will help too to keep the humidity in.
Also you should try to provide some humid hide places by using a half flower pot, inversed margarine pot with a door cut in or the like, filled with moist spaghnum moss. This way the hatchling is in a moist microhabitat, where the humidity will be quite a bit higher than the ambient humidity. Providing 2 or three of these hides in the different temperature zones of your enclosure will make sure, that your hatchling can freely choose the most comfortable temperature zone, without giving up security and being exposed to high humidity.
Keeping hatchlings well hydrated is very important, as their body mass is so small and dehydration can happen very fast, with kidney damage or even failure being the consequences.
Hope that helps, Gaby

Shelly1 Jan 01, 2004 04:46 PM

Gaby,

Thanks. Question about substrate. So the moss is an "ok" substrate to use? I have had many people tell me different things. Right now she is on newspaper that I mist.

gabycher Jan 01, 2004 07:59 PM

Your hatchling needs a substrate that can hold humidity. You can buy cypress mulch at the pet store or something like the 'Forest floor bark'. The Tortoise Trust (check out their excellent website at www.tortoisetrust.org,- you will find many useful articles on nutrition and husbandry of humid habitat tortoises) also recommends a mix of about 2 parts loam and 1 part playpit and, but I find this too messy.
I personally use an about 2 inch layer of forest floor bark (petstore) with 1 to 2 inches high of spaghnum moss (garden center, holds water like a sponge), which I moisten with a spraybottle twice a day. The half flower pot hide houses are all filled with the spaghnum and the babies dig into it. Most of the day they spend with their back in the moss and the front looking out to see, what's going on. That way they stay well hydrated.
Of course a very shallow (~ 5 mm deep) bath dish should be provided at all times and I give a longer bath to my hatchlings every second day before they are fed.
To feed them I put them in a plastic dish pan with a big plate of food and let them eat for about an hour (in an appropriately warm place). They always seem to poop into the bath at this time or while eating in the plastic pan (which is easy to clean and helps to prevend, that they ingest any substrate), so the substrate in the enclosure does not have to be changed frequently.
To make sure, that there are no bugs / eggs in the substrates I moisten them, place them into a big single use aluminum pan, cover it with aluminum foil with some holes punched in and bake the whole thing at 350 degrees F for an hour. Worth the effort, because I have never had any little bugs, mites or any mold growing in it, even after months.
It is very, very important, that your hatchling is able to bury himself (check out the article on 'microclimates' in the Tortoise Trust article section, it will help you to understand your babies needs a lot)!
Good luck, Gaby

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