so i guess i was first to respond to marks post. i'm very excited i need a new youngin to raise, and pictanata was the next species i wanted to get. so thanks agin mark. i just pulled out my 50gal "critter cage" and put new screen in. cracked open a new power sun bulb made a hide box from a flowerpot base(my ctenos fav.)a nice pice of grape wood and a rock water dish. so i should get soft ware for my camra just in time for new pics i'll keep ya posted chris

