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I would love to see a Punnett Square of your breeding a spider X albino or ghost!
Educate the masses. I can not find it on any site. If I missed one send us there please. i am sure folks want to know the odds.
Thanks,
RicK

The home of the singing snakes
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RicK Denmon

Ball Boutique,Inc.

This is an easy one. Its just a simple recessive and a dominant. Its so easy, there's only one column! Sorry for the scribble, but I just jotted it down and then scanned it. Also, this is assuming that this is not a Homo-spider. That would change things a little bit.

This is an easy one. Its just a simple recessive and a dominant. Its so easy, there's only one column! Sorry for the scribble, but I just jotted it down and then scanned it. Also, this is assuming that this is not a Homo-spider. That would change things a little bit.

Spider x ghost.
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RicK Denmon

Ball Boutique,Inc.

Yes, Spider x ghost. What's your point? That's the square I created. You're confusing me.

spider X ghost results in a clutch of all 100% het ghosts, of these snakes 50% will be spiders that are het ghost.

Ok now you breed a spider het for ghost (probably a male) to a ghost female. So this is sorta like breeding two hets together.

All the babies are going to be either het ghost or ghost

so so far 50% of the snakes are ghosts

the other 50% are ghosts

Then add in the codom spider gene

so 50% of them will be spiders, the 50% spiders combined with the 50% ghosts means the following results occur.

25% of the snakes from spider het ghost X ghost are het ghosts only

25% of the snakes will be spiders het ghost

25% of the will be just ghosts

and the final 25% are the money, the spider ghosts.

Same goes for the albino spider or any other recessive crossed with a codom or dom.
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Derek Affonce
DeKeAff Exotics
dekeaffexotics.com

You guys are confusing me. He asked how the snake was produced. NERD posted that it was Spider, het ghost x ghost. Then he asked what the Punnet Square was for it and I posted it. How come we're still trying to figure it out?

Once again...

Your post was correct but I think maybe Rick was looking for the Spider X Ghost punnett rather than the Spider het Ghost X Ghost. Am I right Rick? If so, this is even easier!
Grimdog is also on the money in his posts. I'll try to draw the punnett for Spider X Ghost.

Spider = SsGG (again assuming in the heterozygous form)==> SG & sG along the left side.
Ghost = SSgg ==> Sg at the top

so we have....

Which translates to....
-50% het Ghost
-50% Spider het Ghost

To actually get the ghost spiders you could breed one of the spiders from this litter (which will be 100% het ghost) to a ghost (see Jeff's post for the Punnett square on this one).

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mark

Did you do that square in Excel? I hate drawing them out. It'd be easier to do it the way you did it.

Yep, did it in excel. I then did a screen capture and posted the .jpeg. I've tried to do it with ASCII characters but it was impossible to line up.

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mark

Appreciate it. I'll try it.

Thanks.

It is starting to make sense. And thanks!

The home of singing snakes
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RicK Denmon

Ball Boutique,Inc.

I had recessive stuff down pat and then along comes co-dom and dom and I was thrown for a HUGE loop. It took me forever to realize that I was dealing with dominant stuff all the time as most "wild type" is dominant. But my brain was so stubborn it just didn't sink in, ha ha! And then the whole visible hets thing? I was doing brain somersaults for days!! LOL!!

I have a good handle on it now, so if you have any queries, I can help. I can do quad-hets and stuff. I just practiced and it came. We were doing it in school, so that helped too.

Take it easy.

Cheers.

Thanks a lot. The big breeders do not have this on their sites yet. Unless I could not find it Again thanks.

The home of singing snakes
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RicK Denmon

Ball Boutique,Inc.

Maybe i need to read more on this stuff. But why was "S" and "s" and "G" and "g" given to the traits. Why did you pick large and small letters? Is every morph set up to be either large or small or both? Is the a place to learn this? Thanks... JAZ

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Derek Affonce
DeKeAff Exotics
dekeaffexotics.com

I went to their site and can not find anything about that. Maybe i am looking in all the wrong places. I guess i am stuck in determining what gets what assigned to it.

Like i got:
1.1 Het Butterscotch Ghosts
1.0 Het yellow Ghost
1.0 Pastel
1.1 Het Piebald

So i plan on breeding the pairs to each other as well as with normal females. From there i want to see where i go next to try and get something a little more (wild). Maybe need to get another Het or morph and would like to see how it would mix with what i have.

So its like what letters do i give the Het Yellow Ghost and what letters for the Het Butterscotch Ghost and then can i mate them together to get something? See, thats what i do not know anything about...

JAZ

You can gibe any letters you want. Some people only ever use A,B,and C. I like to use the first letter of the morph. However in the case of Anery and Albino, I use A for albino, and B for anery.

So a het yellow ghost could be "Yy", and a het butterscotch could be "Bb". Mixing the two would have varied results that are unknown, because what if they are compatible? If that's the case, then they'd both have to have the same letter, because they are the same morph. Then I'd call them "Gg".

Ok here is what I believe happened from reading the posts below and what I know about gentics, we are dealing with two traits ghost and spider. To get the spider ghost two breeding are neccesary. So the breeding season before the current one I say Kevin breed a Male spider ball to a female orange ghost. This is shown on the left of the photo attached. Resulting in two snakes spiders that are het for ghost, and noramls that are het for ghost. Kevin then feed a male spider het for ghost up to 500 grams. This snake was then breed to a ghost female. This is shown on the right of the photo. This results in four types of snakes (25% of each) spider ghosts, spiders het for ghost, normal ghosts, and normal het for ghosts. I hope this is clear. Same thing goes for the pastel ghosts, Albino spider, and all future codom X recesive genes.
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Derek Affonce
DeKeAff Exotics
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