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This is to reply to all the people that posted false information about me.
I DO NOT USE RON TREMPER METHOD OF INCUBATION
This female was incubated at 85 deg. at all time.

This female was incubated at 82 deg. at all time.

This female was incubated at 82 deg. at all time.

This female was incubated at 85 deg. at all time.

. . . why you are all whipped up about an incubation process. It's like everybody's running away from Ron Tremper like he has the plague or something. I must be missing something - he's the most successful and most innovative leo breeder to date . . . .

Alberto - However you do it - you have really wonderful looking geckos. I think people just assumed you temp-colored your albinos because they are so white. I made that assumption myself - but I really didn't think badly of it. It still takes good genes - because I've seen other people's temp-color attempts turn out average at best.

I'll take your word at it - you don't manipulate temperature during the incubation process. I just don't understand what the big deal is. Would your sales be hurt any?

Has Mr. Trempers?
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Monte Meyer
Powergeckos
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No Fru-Fru morphs in the herp room

I understand your point and the only thing that I am mad about is that people that do not know any thing about me say false thinks about my geckos, weather they hurt my busines or not they SHOULD NOT say those thinks without knowing. One more thing, I am not running away from Ron, for me he is # 1 and thanks to him we (all of us) will be 3 years behind in the genetics and colors of albinos. There was 2 post from 2 different people that PMO, from Robin and Bradley, any other conversation about was fine.
Alberto
PS: sorry about my English, I am Italian.

The exact same thing happened to me Alberto, and I think not coincidentally, it was one of the same people who did it to you. Apparently it is a habit with them. I don't use the Tremper method either, yet one of those same people you mentioned said I did on this forum, and protested when corrected, saying they thought I had said I used it on this forum, which I hadn't, said they would go look for the post, which they could not find because I never wrote it.

It's just tremendously uncool to post false information about breeders on this forum, especially in the same breath as comparing the falsely accused behavior to "cheating" "misrepresenting" etc... I certainly understand why you are upset. I was too. It's slander, really.

I don't really have an opinion on whether that method misrepresents the geckos or not. The point is, I don't use it. I got my stock direct from Ron, it was high end stock, and I don't use that method and my albinos do not go brown. So in my experience it doesn't misrepresent anything but I am certainly open to the possibility that other people may have had different experiences, especially with lower end starting stock. But some people have something happen to them, and assume it is a universal thing. I don't use the method because I like the way my gex turn out without it, and also I have concerns about birth defects, hatch rates, and male-type aggression changes in the female gecko brain.
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Sarah Stettler aka Starling
Sarah@stargecko.com
StarGecko.Com COMING SOON! Star Quality Leopard Geckos
Specializing in Hypotangerine Tremper Albinos

. . . that we know YOU AIR BRUSH YOUR GECK0S!!

LOL.

I think we should all just slide on the ice a bit and cool down on this topic. All of you are not having problems moving your stock - you are all producing killer stuff - so I wouldn't much worry about it.

It's at this point that I should take a shot at all you fru-fru producers anyway - but I'll refrain this time.

Put it this way - I'm glad my tigers and stripes are producing. I don't think I would win any of these FRU-FRU gecko knife fights. LOL

Good luck in your season!!!
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Monte Meyer
Powergeckos
Email

No Fru-Fru morphs in the herp room

Say "cheddar cheese"!

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Sarah Stettler aka Starling
Sarah@stargecko.com
StarGecko.Com COMING SOON! Star Quality Leopard Geckos
Specializing in Hypotangerine Tremper Albinos

What temps. do you raise them up at? I raise mine with a constant hot spot of 90-92 and get lighter albinos. None are near what your getting though. Like Monte said, you have some serious genetics at work with your animals.
bill
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Bill DiFabio
Azteclizard.com
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Is she for sale by any chance?
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Sarah Stettler aka Starling
Sarah@stargecko.com
StarGecko.Com COMING SOON! Star Quality Leopard Geckos
Specializing in Hypotangerine Tremper Albinos

Sorry, those are all sold.

new to the gecko game just registered on the forum today. Still trying to figure out how to use it. Anyway ware can i see more of your geckos??????????

www.amgecko.com

I met Alberto at the Philadelphia NARBC show and we discussed this incubation method. He told me then that he did not use this method to create the geckos. I can vouch for the quality of the geckos; the pictures are exactly as they look in person!
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Rob Jenkins
Have you seen the GeckoCam?
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Edited on January 6, 2004 at 18:20:55 by phwyvern.

Thanks Rob
I would like that all the people on this forum would be like you, not because you like my geckos but because you always get the informations before posting on this forum.
Alberto

what is she?

thanks!
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Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Lizards

1.4.0 leopard geckos - diego, mango, libby, jaws, & sobe
0.1 bearded dragon - sydney
0.1 king snake & 0.2.3 corn snakes
2 red eye tree frogs, 3 green tree frogs, 2 firebelly toads
5 anoles,8.0 bettas & numerous tropicals
1.2 dogs (dachshund-pepper, brittany spaniel-jenni, lab-kaci)
1 hubby & 2 boys

www.skayart.com

I posted the PICS of 4 geckos, which one you a referring to?

originally i was referring to the first post/image. but i like the second one as well!

sorry for the confusion. i tried to post as a reply to that first image, but my post ended up on the bottom. i guess i don't understand exactly how this forum works! LOL
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Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Lizards

1.4.0 leopard geckos - diego, mango, libby, jaws, & sobe
0.1 bearded dragon - sydney
0.1 king snake & 0.2.3 corn snakes
2 red eye tree frogs, 3 green tree frogs, 2 firebelly toads
5 anoles,8.0 bettas & numerous tropicals
1.2 dogs (dachshund-pepper, brittany spaniel-jenni, lab-kaci)
1 hubby & 2 boys

www.skayart.com

Those 2 females have the same parents, the first is a jungle tangerine giant line albino, and the second is a banded tangerine giant line albino.

thanks for coming to the forum and clearing things up. i really like drooling over all your pics and personally i have never posted anything about your geckos (other than they are awesome) because i have never talked to u about them. i think it's a lesson learned for some of the other newer forum members to first go to the source and get FIRST HAND information before running around saying "i heard this" or "i heard that".

i sort of know how u feel alberto, earlier this year, i got slammed by some people saying "SFgeckos alters his pictures" etc etc...i think its impossible to please everyone so sometimes i don't waste precious time- i mean doesn't anyone else have other things to do other than gossip all day on the forum? =P

anyways, just some quick words of encouragement. keep up the great work, i can't wait to see what u produce this year. i'm a few years behind with my rainwaters, but one day i'll catch up. til then, take care and have a good one

ps- wanna start a "normal incubation" club? join the club! haha...

-SFgeckos

Tremper states:

"This is a phenomena unique to leopard geckos. Keeping your albinos with a 90F hot spot all the time will prevent this migration of pigment in their skin."

I have a big beautiful Jungle Albino from Alberto, I have had him for over a year now, I don't provide a "90F hot spot all the time", and my gecko is as bright if not brighter as the day I received him from Alberto.

I have discussed the "Tremper Incubation method" with Alberto several times in the past, and he has ALWAYS stated that he doesn't use the method, and he doesn't need to! He takes great pride in the fact that he has developed his Albinos through hard work and selective breeding. Not by taking "short cuts".

Trust me when I tell you, Alberto is extremely selective in his choice of breeders. ONLY the BEST will do, and it shows in the geckos he produces.

To suggest that he uses any kind of short cut in a public forum, without knowing the facts, is irresponsible and petty. Next time you should get your facts straight before tossing around "opinions" without regard to possible damage that can be caused to a persons reputation.

In my opinion, A&M has by far the nicest Albinos available, and yes even nicer than Ron himself.

That is my .50 cents worth, keep the change.
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Sam
Gecko Den
Email Me

How's it goin?

First off I would like to say that no one here would dispute that your geckos are amazing - I sometimes see geckos of yours that give Ron a run for his money.........however

I think you went a little wrong about this - you make a huge blow up about NOT USING THE RON TREMPER METHOD!!!! - is that to say that anyone that does has weak potential? or that anyone that does use this method is cheating....if so, I think there is a lot of cheating going on...not to name names!!! Is the Tremper method a bad thing? Please let me in on why this tool is looked so down upon?

Please feel free to correct people that use misinformed information, but do so in a way that doesnt raise the pedestal you already stand so highly on!!! And I say this because your Albino's are defenitely top notch!!

No hard feelings? - your the man - your Albino's are something I really admire....keep up the "great work"...modesty is a strength!
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AlbinoLeo@yahoo.com

Hows it going,

Just to set the record straight my concern is not with incubation method. My beef is false information being just thrown around on the World Wide Web. I'm not saying good or bad about either way to me the final result is what matters. Its when people say things without knowing the way I do it. Its about false information not incubation.

A&M

PS Read this thread from Robin and see if you wouldn'd be pissed.
When I don't even use this method!
Robins Post

Yeah I see your point - same person that jumped down my throaght about gutload for mealies.....

What I would do - since you already have a site, is make a quick link to the pics and temps you incubated at, shown above, and say a little bit about the genetics involved to produce animals like that, without the incubation method...a subtle way of saying...my genetics dont need manipulation...keep it subtle though - because many awesome breeders use this method to kick out killer albino's...

Good work none the less....
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AlbinoLeo@yahoo.com

alberto i truely appologize for this. while i do not know you nor have ever bought from you... my understandings of your way of incubation was either similar or the same as ron's.......... in that i appologize and i truely mean that.
however lets not make this a robin issue here because this same subject concerning you has been brought up many a time and i am getting the sh!tty end of the stick.
in you post that i quote "PMO" i originally was not the one whom brought you into it... i was commenting as to since (as i thought them) you use his method (which i know you dont now) why isnt it in writing or put in some form of diclaimer.. i was simply posting a reply and using (the name of the company) yours that was refered to in the prior post.
like i said in my post it was not meant as an attack because you have very nice animals... i guess i could have worded my response differently but.. at this point and time it's too late and all i can offer is an appology.
as far as commenting about your other gecko you posted I am truely sorry but that comment i still stand by. to each their own...
i appologize for my words in this thread about the TIM and infering you use it and i could have and should have worded it differently...
my hunble appologies-robin struck
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-robin struck
Geckoheads And Geeks

Hi Robin
My only intention was to avoid in the future other misunderstanding. I did not start this because of an incubation method and your name was not the only one that was named by me but the other person that stated the false information as well. I am not doing this for a publicity stunt, I have 2 jobs and no time to waist for this, but I love my geckos and what I do and any false information about me and my geckos I will make sure that people will know the truth now and in the future, you can be assured of that. I know you did not start the conversation about me, but you should have not assumed that the other person knew what I was doing. As I always say to all the gecko lovers my email address is amgecko@aol.com and I will be always very happy to answer at any questions about my geckos, and if I do not specify what I feed my gecko, how I house them, how I breed them or I how incubate them is nobody write to assume anything.
I accept your apologies with pleasure, I have no hard feelings but I will respond at any time to false information about me done from you or any other.
Best of luck for this year breeding, by the way, you do have nice geckos as well.
Regards Alberto