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Considering Keeping Frogs

zimbo Jan 05, 2004 01:50 PM

Im considering getting some arrow frogs, but im quite new to them. ive got a some questions if someone could please help me out. although ive red other posts, and looked around the net, i cant seem to find out about these things.

1. Is the cultivation of fruit flies always needed, or are there other ways to get them?

2. is an ultra sonic fogger sufficent to help bring up the humidity in the cage? (i also know plants help)

3. are many species arboreal?

4. what are the most common difficulties encountered?

5. what is the best size tank for 3 or 4 frogs?

Replies (4)

FalconBlade Jan 05, 2004 03:00 PM

1. Is the cultivation of fruit flies always needed, or are there other ways to get them?

No, you can purchase them online from a variety of places. Culturing thme is very easy however and much much cheaper in the long run.

2. is an ultra sonic fogger sufficent to help bring up the humidity in the cage? (i also know plants help)

Sufficient, yes, necessary, no. In fact I highly suggest you stay away from these as they can be hazardous to your animals and an expensse when the element needs replacing. Spraying the tank down once or twice daily is suffcient provided you have a means of keeping the moisture in with slight ventilation.

3. are many species arboreal?

Yes, many species are arboreal and in my opinio they all are. What is arboreal though? When we find animals in the wild and look down at them crawling on plants are they terrestrial or arboreal? When we look up in trees at animals clmibing around, are they arboreal? It's a deep contradicting subject. In general, however, the thumbnail class frogs are what we consider arboreal.

4. what are the most common difficulties encountered?

Can't really speak on this as there are alot of problems that we hobbyists are faced with. It's proper hussbandry that plays the most important role in keeping these problems at bay.

5. what is the best size tank for 3 or 4 frogs?

In general 5 to 10 gallons per frog is good. I tend to keep pairs of smaller species in 10 gallons and pairs of the larger species in 20 to 30 gallons. If you are just starting out, your best bet would be to keep froglets seperate to ensure that they all recieve food with no competition from their peers. Once they are sexed and able to be paired off, you can start housing them together. Until you gain a little more insight on these awesome creatures, stick with just a couple of frogs in seperate enclosures. They will benefit from this much better.
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2.2 D. azureus
1.2.7 D. ventrimaculatus
3.3.1 D. tinctorius 'Suriname cobalt'
0.0.3 D. tinctorius 'patricia'
0.0.1 D. tinctorius 'giant orange'
0.0.1 D. tinctorius 'citronella'
0.0.2 D. auratus 'Panamanian'
0.0.5 D. auratus 'green/black'
0.0.3 D. imitator 'Alex Sens line' (very soon)
0.0.2 D. reticulatus (soon)

slaytonp Jan 05, 2004 06:05 PM

I think Falconblade has answered your questions as succinctly as possible. I would encourage you to do your own fruit fly cultures, however. You never want to run out while waiting for an order, and it is indeed much less expensive. If you don't live in a very cold area where fly shipments might get too cold in transport--or too hot in summer, for that matter, there are places that will set up regular shipments for you. I believe Patrick Nabors at Saurian will do this. Although for most of us, fruit flies are the mainstay, you will want to vary the diet with pinhead crickets, available on line, springtails (you can get a starter kit from Ed's fly meat), and some people like rice beetle larvae. Field plankton, or meadow plankton that you net yourself during the warm season is also a nice addition, as long as you can be assured that you get it from an area uncontaiminated by pesticides.

As stated, arboreal is a relative term, especially in a small hobby set up. (In a rainforest, the difference between terrestrial and arboreal is many meters, while in a hobby tank, it is only a matter of inches.) In general, the thumbnails prefer to hang out and breed among bromeliads and the higher parts of a tank, but can be seen hunting (or fighting) on the ground, while the others are found more often on the ground. However, my galacs and leukomelas all like to climb up into the upper branches and sleep in the bromeliad axils.

Just read everything you can--all the care sheets, and get advice from the breeder you chose to purchase your frogs from.

Your set up does not have to be high tech. Simple set ups that keep up the required high humidity and the right temperatures will work very well. Darts are not all that difficult to keep. I think they are actually easier than most other kinds of frogs, which seem to require higher sanitary maintenance than frogs in a terrarium environment with a modicum of biological balance among plants, soil and the critters that help break down the frog feces.

My own opinion about the ultrasonic foggers is they suck, although while they last, the fog is interesting to watch. I personally just mist by hand with a hand sprayer. I did put in a humidifier called Tropic-aire in one tank. I really like this because it is extremely simple-- just air from a fish tank air pump that first bubbles through a water reservoir, and then goes into the tank via an airline hose and small distribution pipe. It's relatively cheap and except for replacing water in the reservoir, is maintenance-free.

Welcome to this hobby. It is a rewarding one, and very addictive.
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Patty
Pahsimeroi, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
3 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
5 D. imitator
4 D. leukomelas
4 D. pumilio Bastimentos
4 D. fantasticus pending

shopaholic Jan 05, 2004 07:04 PM

Hi Patty: good to see you're still around. Didn't see you on the net for a while, and wondered if you were good. I see on your signature that you're set up somewhere else now. Hope you had a good vacation, and that you and your family are well. You still have Imitators? My two are breeding like mad, but no fertile eggs! Why not...you little bugers! Anyways, glad your still with us. Maggie

slaytonp Jan 06, 2004 12:00 PM

Thanks, Maggie. Pahsimeroi is just a more accurate location designation. All the frogs are still with me, with more to come.
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Patty
Pahsimeroi, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
3 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
5 D. imitator
4 D. leukomelas
4 D. pumilio Bastimentos
4 D. fantasticus pending

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