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Aussie Carpets in the U.S. are about as locality specific as corn snakes. When they first started breeding them they where all just called carpets except maybe the Diamonds. I wonder how many of the so called pure jungles are really pure, and if you think they are could you prove it? The so called crap and hybrids are really intergrades. Has anyone read Pythons of the World by the Barkers? How many times is the word intergrade used and check out the pics, some Jungles just are not that colorful and what about M.s.variegata and M.s.metcalfei they were both called common carpets just a decade ago and were bred that way. I’m not trying to promote anything one way or another because I have been keeping and breeding carpets for a lot longer than I care to admit, I've bought Jungles for as much as $500, that when matured, where just not that nice any more. I also have some that turned out to be great looking. I have some M.s.variegata that look like Irians and some that look like M.s.metcalfei. They are all highly variable as far as color and pattern go. Oh and the newbies that always show up asking what they have, shame on them for not knowing what they are buying. And yes the DxJs out there were the first to become popular crosses and yes I have a few. They should be looked at for what they are. They were bred at first in the early years in an attempt at breeding some vigor into the Diamond line, but hey guess what, the offspring from those snakes produced some really nice looking crosses and some pretty well known herpers reproduced them just for that reason, not to make a quick buck like so many people suspect. I for one keep snakes as a hobby and sometimes they help pay for that hobby. As far as DxJs, maybe they should be called M.s.Americana, just my opinion and I hope I did’nt offend everybody. Now I’ll slither back up into the canopy where I belong ,always lurking as usual.

Bravo! A long overdue post. Although I have no crosses(that I know of), I am not opposed to them. What I am opposed to is people who belittle crosses and "lesser" snakes and in the same post laud the crossing of Carpet to Diamond. Those people should pick a side of the fence and stay there...period!

I take it your referring to me...well at least I have started a talk about things. I am sorry you don't share my point of view and bash me every time I express it, but high percentage dxj's are the only good looking Morelia intergrade carpet out there. With the exception of maybe a jcpxgtp. The thing is the others don't make improvements upon anything or produce something that is wanted (aka an affordable diamond). That's my view. I am on the intergrades are ok if they offer something better and can't be misconstrued as otherwise side of the fence.
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Not misconstrued, but advertised properly.
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They may have been talking to me. I dont care much. As I said I dont have a problem with people that breed across lines, I have a problem with people that sell them as something other than an intergrade.
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"Victory is reserved for those willing to pay its price"

In other words, non-pure(crap) snakes are okay as long as they are appealing to the eye? This totally contradicts your earlier post. Come on guys. I'm not trying to start a flame here, but this is getting old. Stick to one stance already.

Why is it that whenever someone disagrees with you it's "bashing"? Did it ever occur to you that ,god forbid, you might be wrong once in your life? Stop being so melodramatic. I simply made a comment on the constant contradictions I see here. If I'm wrong, so be it. Life goes on. It's my opinion and that's that. Not everything revolves around you. If you took that statement personally, then perhaps you have a guilty conscience, who knows. Don't turn this into something it isn't. If people contradict themselves and get called on it, they should take their medicine and learn something instead of crying "basher" or "troll". Puh-lease, give me a break.

Well I don't find it funny that you make it your goal in life to point out my contradictions. Obviously you are reading what I write incorrectly or don't care to try to understand what I'm saying. So I will make it plain and simple, I think that JCPxCCP and JCPxIJCP and CCPxIJCP all produce inferior offspring in pattern and color and therefore are not desirable and should not be produced. I think JCPxD produce an interesting animal that can allow people that don't have $800 bucks to own a diamond, own something with a similar look. Period.

There is no contradiction...just lack of understanding or my poor way of typing what I am actually thinking.
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"Did it ever occur to you that ,god forbid, you might be wrong once in your life?" LOL! Have you ever?

And I said if YOU want to cross snakes and sell them as CROSSED snakes to other people that WANT CROSSED snakes I have no beef. I do definetly have issues with people that would try to sell me jungle/diamonds as pure jungle.
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How can someone consider something as "pure" when the founders were not "pure". Jungles and Coastals are known to integrade, Coastals and Diamonds are known to integrade. It would be interesting to find out just how much of a Jungle population has Coastal genes, and vice versa. Personally, it really doesn't matter what kind of integrade, hybrid, whatever it is. I can see beauty in every reptile on this Earth. Why can't people just enjoy the hobby, and not make everything political?

I couldn't agree more. Great post. As I said before, there are no "crap" snakes.

Mardy