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In the "jungle" thread below several times the term "hard working breeders" occured. When I read it I could almost see the tears of outrage in the eyes of the guys that posted it.

The legend of the "hard working breeder" is somewhat misleading in my eyes and worth a new thread. The guys who use this term want to create the impression that the breeders of such animals has an especially hard job.

Are they working all night in semi-dark labs where they are examining genes with microscopes? Do they employ a bunch of scientists who introduce aberrant genes in the animals? Or do they simply take a crayon and paint the aberrant pattern and color onto the animals all night without sleeping?

None of it. They do the same job as every tidy boa keeper. They are feeding, cleaning the cages and providing fresh water. They are looking for the correct housing conditions.

Every boa keeper does it and I am convinced that some boa keepers are working even harder because they want to have always clean and neat cages.

Due to lucky circumstances a litter of aberrant boas is born somewhere. This can happen to every breeder, even to me.
Is this the result of a harder work than others do? Nope. It's just luck (for the beginner) and a nose for business for those who follow this track by purchasing these animals.

The only concession that I can make to these breeders is that they may have a better marketing talent. But they are not working harder as every boa keeper with a large collection. Maybe the one or the other is even not so hard working and has a pretty mess in his cages.

So please spare me with the legend of the hard working guys in the morph labs in the future.
If I would be an American I would say now it's an INSULT for every breeder of normal boas.
Boa constrictor

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Beware of Commies and Mutts!

About things without doing research...

how aberrant a boa is looking. Just a clear sight. And I think they are not working hard on research but on marketing.

But it's nothing wrong with it.

Every morning a fool gets up from bed. He is just waiting to be caught ;o)
Boa constrictor

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Beware of Commies and Mutts!

yes herman, but how many of these abbarent boas produce abbarent offspring?.... and how many of them produce increasingly abberant offspring when bred back together? (super jungles). i completly agree that there are tons of bougus jungles out there, and some jungles.... well they look pretty normal. but its not just dumb luck beyond finding the animal.

Maybe hard work is an overstatement, but I don't think you give them enough credit for their perseverence, experience, and skill (for lack of a better word) at breeding boas. No matter how much easier you think it is to breed Bci over Bcc, they are not corn snakes and some experience and knowledge is needed for continued success.

Of course, the difficulty in breeding Bcc doesn't come close to that of breeding C. reinhardtii (Calabars). LOL.

>>In the "jungle" thread below several times the term "hard working breeders" occured. When I read it I could almost see the tears of outrage in the eyes of the guys that posted it.
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>>The legend of the "hard working breeder" is somewhat misleading in my eyes and worth a new thread. The guys who use this term want to create the impression that the breeders of such animals has an especially hard job.
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>>Are they working all night in semi-dark labs where they are examining genes with microscopes? Do they employ a bunch of scientists who introduce aberrant genes in the animals? Or do they simply take a crayon and paint the aberrant pattern and color onto the animals all night without sleeping?
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>>None of it. They do the same job as every tidy boa keeper. They are feeding, cleaning the cages and providing fresh water. They are looking for the correct housing conditions.
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>>Every boa keeper does it and I am convinced that some boa keepers are working even harder because they want to have always clean and neat cages.
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>>Due to lucky circumstances a litter of aberrant boas is born somewhere. This can happen to every breeder, even to me.
>>Is this the result of a harder work than others do? Nope. It's just luck (for the beginner) and a nose for business for those who follow this track by purchasing these animals.
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>>The only concession that I can make to these breeders is that they may have a better marketing talent. But they are not working harder as every boa keeper with a large collection. Maybe the one or the other is even not so hard working and has a pretty mess in his cages.
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>>So please spare me with the legend of the hard working guys in the morph labs in the future.
>>If I would be an American I would say now it's an INSULT for every breeder of normal boas.
>>Boa constrictor
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Rick Staub
R&R Reptiles

I have to step in on this one. I TOTALLY AGREE!!! It's about time. I do construction work for a living. That's hard work. I unwind when I come home by taking care of business in my snake room. This subject is really blown out of proportion especially on the "country club" forum. I don't think I need to mention that forum here. They know who they are.

Since where in the thread or this entire Forum that you, Hermann, saw that I say breeding normal boas is not hard work? With all due to respect, everything you do in your life that you spend your time and effort to is hard work. It doesn't matter if you are in construction work, lifting heavy stuff, sweating like shower; or you sit in a comfortable office w/ air conditioner design some blue print. Along the line, you've spent time, effort to achieve your goal. They are all HARD WORK.

Just like you said Hermann,

It's always a problem if one has to waste time on persons who don't read a posting thoroughly...
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So please read my postings thoroughly in the future before you start to slaver.

So, DO WHAT YOU SAID. It's not the first time you said bunch of jubberish that you can't do it, and I don't expect it's the last. You've wasted another thread, another bandwith of this site.... And you know what IT'S AN INSULT WHEN YOU HAVE NO RESPECT ON OTHER PEOPLE'S TIME, EFFORT, HARD WORK

Hermann, It is good to have someone with different opinions, and for people to keep checking the frauds out there. However, the more I read your posts the more I realize how inexperienced you really are with no disrespect. Your work comment really made me realize how novice you are. The Jungle comment can be chalked up as one of your ingnorant posts. If you would really do some good research you would know that Jungles are a Genetic snake. Some Jungles don't really look that good, and I bet there will be some frauds out there buying abbearant boas that may not come from true Jungle lines, and people will be sad. Just more reason to buy your bloodlines from reputable breeders. I don't even need to talk further about your jungle comment. For many years we didn't understand the gene, and "Super Jungles" were called Jungles. Now, the more normal looking ones are the Jungles, and the Killer ones with the arrow head marking on the top of the head are the Dominant or "Super" jungles. Jungles are a pattern and Color variation. Many Jungles were sold rather cheaply a few years ago by breeders as "Poss Het" jungles, but we now know those are the Jungles, and the Super Jungles are quite Rare, and ad a ton to Boas for many boa lovers of just boas in general.
Now, your Work post. Are you telling me that a person who studies for a Masters degree or P.H.D. didn't Work Hard??? I only have a bachelors degree, but I felt I had to work hard to get it. I think that Boa breeding can be the same, and I am here to tell you that it takes Blood, Sweat, and tears to really succeed in some of these projects, and YES it is HARD WORK!!!!! Building Racks and cages, taking hours and days trying to get the right gaps and heatape. Building an entire room and then putting rows of racks in that room. Cleaning Rodents for hours and hours and making sure you weed out the bad or weak rats so your Boas only get the best of the best. Traveling to the feed store every week for 50 lb shavings bags and 10 bags of 50 lb dog food and hauling it to and from the truck to the shed. Spending Hours on end watching in the Fall and making sure you spray nightly and get the temperatures exactly right is also a little work. A little work is going to work everyday Selling Insurance and investments to pay that 600 dollar utility bill. Also, building up another business that I had to work 65 hours a week at to purchase some of my Albino boas in the Mid 90's was very hard work to. Anyone who buys a High dollar and High quality animal had to work very hard for their purchase as well. After your snakes are breeding staying up night after night making sure the female doesn't get slug bound while she is giving babies isn't easy either. Cleaning up the babies, and individually preparing each cage for each snake, then buliding more baby racks for the snake isn't just easy either. Also, staying up the whole night while a premature litter came about and making sure the temps and humidy are just right isn't easy. Spending hours cleaning the cage, and taking a snake to the vet that doesn't look right and then taking cultures to the lab isn't easy either. Taking risks, waiting 4 years for a project to get to the results as what you want isn't just lame work. Don't get me wrong, just becuase it is hard work doesn't mean I love doing it. I love doing it, but in order to be successful, it takes PATIENCE in a HUGE way, and blood, sweat, and tears. Sure you get lucky on a few things, but to be consistent it takes a lot more then luck.
To say this isn't hard work is an INSULT to many of us, and to my employee. She words VERY hard at giving the animals the best of care. I know there are MANY out there that work hard. The work is VERY rewarding though, and the work is also love. Maybe you will learn that concept one day, but if you don't, I will understand. I am not trying to pat myself on the back. I am one of the little guys that has a HUGE passion for Boas. I have made a Ton of mistakes, and paid dearly for them. However, I will always try to work hard to understand these amazing animals more and more every year, and it is the most rewarding hard work I know of. Hermann best of luck to you, but thank you for letting me understand you a little more. Not to be rude, but I now really have to take everything you say with a grain of salt. I think everyone who contributes here has helped me in some form or another. We all can add to everyone. Even the most advanced can learn from the beginners, and get back to the basics. Your bitterness doesn't make your boas better then anyone elses. You obviously have some problems, and I don't know why you try to take it out on others who don't agree with you. I can say that you work HARD at trying to stir the pot. That is hard work. LOL. Take Care, everyone, and step back, relax and enjoy the boas. Weather or not they are hard work, they are AWESOME to work with. My 2 cents. Jeremy Stone

Below is a picture of a Super Jungle, and a Jungle. Notice the Jungle hardly has abbearancies, however, she produce some AWESOME jungles. The super Jungle didn't make it. He had some renal failure 2 years ago.

No offense, but I think you are way over dramatizing the situation. I totally disagree with your post. First of all, no one was talking about breeding rodents or working for a living to buy the snakes. I assume that's how we all aquire our snakes. That's exactly my point. I do work hard at my job, I just don't consider keeping snakes to be hard work. Blood, sweat and tears??? I may have sweat a few times in the snake room, but I don't remember ever crying(tears) and if I bled it was from getting bit due to a mistake I made. Getting bit definitely is not hard work. As far as building cages or racks, I did that and it's easy and there's nothing hard about it. That's probably the funnest part of this hobby. In any case, I believe the original comment was about breeding boas. Unless you are artificially insemenating your snakes, the snakes should be the ones doing the work, if you want to call it that.

If you read exactly what Herman says in his comments say quote

"Due to lucky circumstances a litter of aberrant boas is born somewhere. This can happen to every breeder, even to me.
Is this the result of a harder work than others do? Nope. It's just luck (for the beginner) and a nose for business for those who follow this track by purchasing these animals."

What that line says to me is plain and simple these "big" breeders, or perhaps more accurately representative, these High end Breeders, are not putting in more effort or time, or money on the 5 or 10, or 20 thousand dollar snakes, I for one take good care of my snakes (currently have 17, and getting more) but I guarantee if one or more of those snakes was worth over 5 thousand dollars I would put in more time, and energy with that snake then I do with my others.(thus working hard, since what I am doing currently is more for fun).

And another thing that you might have misread, or not taken into account, how many hours of "real" work did it take to save up to purchase that 200 dollar snake? not many, so that really couldn't count as hard work...but how many hours would it take of "real" work to save up to purchase that 20 grand T+ boa? or that Motley boa? or etc? an extremely large amount of time (100 times as much "real" work). So I appreciate the HARD work that the big breeders do, and the HARD earned money they risk to offer us on the market, remember for every morph that pans out and is successful there is another that dies, or won't breed, or turns out to be not genetic. Just my opinion. Forgive me for any mispelling, or run ons (just woke up and still have cobwebs.lol)

Later Randy T.
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You never experience life until you have kids..then you realize what you should have done rather then what you did do

Again, you guys are confusing the issue. Are you saying that you only work your regular job(hard work) to buy snakes? Of course not. You work to earn a living. If you have extra money or work a few extra hours to buy a snake, great! Isn't that how we all do it? The issue is whether or not raising snakes and breeding snakes is hard work. I don't think it is. That's just my opinion. I'm certainly not here to bash anyone, but I do think some people here are a little melodramatic.

Between my son and I we have perhaps 75 snakes in the house. I raise a meager amount of rats, mice and deer mice, not nearly enough btw. And yes it is a LOT of time-consuming work. I would not use the term hard work as I have always felt that to mean physically hard backbreaking work. However, allowing for semantic differences I would accept the moniker HARD WORK raising these snakes. LOL

I totally disagree. Before I explain why, let me ask you a few questions??? How many snakes do you have??? How many have you bred?? I can tell by your post that you have no clue about blood sweat and tears. That is what is required to make it a living like many breeders do. YOu talk about other "Regular" jobs. What is a Job??? Well, there are people that breed snakes for a living, and that requires all what I mentioned above. That is HARD WORK. I think you are missing the WHOLE point of what it takes to get some of these snakes out. Jeremy Stone

I gave you the benefit of re-reading your previous post and I still can't figure out why you think breeding boas is hard work. I didn't see anything in that post that isn't par for the course. Maybe it's just me. Perhaps my work ethic is a bit different than many people here, thus my opinion on this matter. I did not get involved in this dicussion to insult anyone here just because our definition of work differs. I stand by my thoughts on this and that's that. By the way, I do not breed snakes to make a living and I never said that the marketing aspect or the "business" end was not hard work. I do however stand in agreement with Henry in that we all share the same tasks in raising and breeding boas. That's all.

No offense, there is no dramatize here. It's not you the only one who do construction work. I do both construction work and office work (design). I know people, whom do construction work (carpenter) in the morning, and assemble computer in the evening, and both are hard work to him. Why don't you go to school get a degree so that you can get some job in the office, and then come back here to tell us that it's not hard work. Also, take a look at the whole picture here. How did you get your snake? Even if you go out and steal from someone, it's still "hard work", since there is stress and physically work involved. Of course we don't just work so that to buy snake. However, we did work harder so we can earn some extra bucks that we can afford to buy a snake. They aren't just dropped on your lap when you're sitting on your couch watching t.v., so eventhough you think rasing and breeding snakes is not hard work, those snakes were bought from hard earned money from hard work.

Are you people actually reading these posts??? What does "how you make a living" have to do with the level of difficulty in breeding snakes? Let me answer that...NOTHING! I thought this discussion was about raising and breeding snakes. Half of your post just reiterated was I've been trying to say. I also would like to know where you read the post where anyone said that college and office jobs are not hard work. Get a grip.

Jeremy is absolutly correct in that reptile breeding, morphs or not, is hard work. Anything that requires passion to succeed is probably hard work. Any type of reptile breeding is hard work if your doing it right. Trying to make it in reptile breeding as a full time occupation is even harder work. I think if there is something that you put tons of effort into, weather it's hard physical labor or not, is hard work. Certainly harder than going to work everyday & just doing the same old thing that requires no thought. Loosing sleep, waiting & worrying, and especially investing large amounts of money & taking risks that might not pan out, in my opinion is hard work. Your "working on it" 24 hours a day. It's not just the actual day to day care of the animals that is hard, it's the speculatiuon, making sure you don't make a mistake with your precious investment dollars, and then having to think about the marketing of the animals once you've produced them that takes a ton of effort. In short, business is hard. There are a lot of very hard working breeders out there, Jeremy among them, and there are a lot of lazy people who think they are going to get something for nothing, make an easy buck, & don't "work hard" taking care of their animals granted.
I really don't understand why you have to come on these forums if your so against everyone & what they do Herman. Europe has moved so far to the left & your an example of it. What ever happened to "Live & let Live"? You really have to ask yourself why you would come here so often if you disagree with everyone so much ? Don't they have anything like this forum in Europe where you live? Hmmm... maybe you should frequent those places instead if you have so much against the way we do things here.
Paul Edwards

About what REALLY bothers H.S. and,fuels all of this "us,and,them" stuff here on the forum...*lol* it is quite simply that the ever growing interest in "morphs" in Europe is making it more,and,more difficult for him to sell his surplus every year,and,justify working with various "pure" locality animals,that are quite simply less appealing!...it's got to be tough to see fellow breeders of "jungles",and,"square-tails",sell out in the first month of availability,for triple,or,quadruple what he's getting for his efforts(very POPULAR "normals" unh Hermann?)...I think these kinds of derogatory posts here on the Forum,do a great disservice to all of those dedicated breeders that DO work hard to produce quality locality matched animals,those people certainly are not credited by this type of behavior...it is this type of individual that I strive to avoid,and,I see them as more of an embarassment to the hobby than any type of provocative perveyor of enlightenment,that they pretend to be....work with whatever makes you happy...if you're not happy,then maybe you need to examine the REAL reasons you feel the way you do,and,stop blaming everyone else,while you belittle their efforts? there's your "fools trap".
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EVOLVE,OR,DIE...it's not just a good idea...it's the LAW!

There are some things that has to be straightened:

1. Morphs will always be only a niche in Europe

2. The interest on true locality specific boas in the U.S. is increasing and there is a decrease in morphs. This is due to the fact that the boa enthusiasts has to face the effects of "morphing" such as one eyed albinos and lack of fertility in albinos.

3. I never disputed that the jungle trait is genetic. I only said that the aberrant appearence in most of these animals is so slight that a reasonable mind asks him-/herself where the big deal in these animals is.

4. Every responsible boa breeder works as hard (or not hard) as a morph breeder. There is nothing special in breeding morphs. This critters don't feed more, they don't defecate more and they don't need no more effort on care. Just the marketing is more extravagant. This is the real hard work, here I agree.
Boa constrictor

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Beware of Commies and Mutts!

I do not think Morphs will be "overtaken" or lose popularity with people here in America. I actually think what you are seeing as an increase in popularity in the non morph snake market is not due to an increase in pop of them, or as a decrease in morph pop, but a widening of popularity of boas in general( and if you look at ball pythons, or burmese pythons as examples, when someone is just starting to get into a specific species they almost always look at the normals first, then expand into the higher end morphs) Just my opinion on this...Later Randy T.
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You never experience life until you have kids..then you realize what you should have done rather then what you did do

1. Morphs will always be only a niche in Europe
Any support detail? Or it is based solely on your opinion?

2. The interest on true locality specific boas in the U.S. is increasing and there is a decrease in morphs. This is due to the fact that the boa enthusiasts has to face the effects of "morphing" such as one eyed albinos and lack of fertility in albinos.
Again, any support detail? Or you still "make an ASS out of U and ME"?

3. I never disputed that the jungle trait is genetic. I only said that the aberrant appearence in most of these animals is so slight that a reasonable mind asks him-/herself where the big deal in these animals is.
As I have said before, the big deal is not on how the animal look. The big deal is that it's genetic, and it passes on the offsprings. A gorgeous looking Surinames may cost $1000.00 to compare to a normal looking one $250.00 (4x different in price). An Albino Colombian cost $1000.00, a Sunglow cost $5000.00 in compare to a normal one $100.00 (10x and 50x different)

4. Every responsible boa breeder works as hard (or not hard) as a morph breeder. There is nothing special in breeding morphs. This critters don't feed more, they don't defecate more and they don't need no more effort on care. Just the marketing is more extravagant. This is the real hard work, here I agree.
There is no dispute in who is working harder. Instead, everybody works hard.

In response to number three's reply, I've seen some pretty unattractive Suris and BCC in general throw incredible offspring.

show us.....

>>show us.....
http://www.cypresscreekreptiles.net/boas.html

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"If woody would of went to the police, none of this would have ever happened!"

i own one of these boas as a matter of fact, and she is in my opinion out-freakin-standing.... and i dont consider the parents ugly by a longshot

LOL, you beat me to it. I was going to use that very reference. I have two of those offspring. The parents are by no means ugly, but they are not as attractive as the babies by a longshot. Thanks Charles.

id love to see how her siblings are looking, that picture is a little old, i plan on taking some new ones of her and other recent additions shortly...please post some if youve got em.

i think the father is great looking, alot of things can contribute to that photo,... he couldve just been on a "dark day", or been in poor lighting. at anyrate im still not convinced that

"some pretty unattractive Suris and BCC in general throw incredible offspring"

besides the obvious occasional gem.

either way.....im sorry if the show us comment came off wrong. i just subscribe to the theory of selective breeding.

cheers

sean mills

Poor Herman didn't get mentioned in his WORK about the TRUE redtails. By your post Herman, you again show your true colors. It is just as hard of work for Red Tail breeders as it is for the Morphs, and Poor Herman didn't get mentioned for all that HARD work he does for the Red tails.
Well, Herman, you are starting to act like a Whining baby that is jelous of anybody getting credit for anything they do. FACE the fact, a TRUE BOA LOVER loves ALL boas no matter WHAT THEY ARE. A partial boa lover is just a lover of a certain type of Boa. You are just a PARTIAL boa lover, and you didn't get mentioned for your work in the red tails, so you stir the pot again. I see your tactics Hermann, and why didn't you just come out and say "True Red Tails are JUST AS HARD OF WORK AS THE MORPHS" to make your point, and then everyone can say "GOOD JOB HERMANN" I so much appreciate your Hard work. Then you can feel good for the day. Come to think of it, you do more work hurting the TRUE red tail breeders then you do helping them. Many I have spoken to feel that way. So, please stop complaining when you don't get mentioned, and go do something Important. Jeremy Stone

ANYTHING....

I disagree. Locality boas are not less appealing than morphs. I also think that Locality boas will overcome morphs in popularity if they aren't already. Did I mention they're more affordable as well.

People thrive hard to obtain the best that they can get, to get something that not everyone have. What make you think locality will be more popular than morph? Because they are affordable? Do you think why people willing to pay $1000.00 for an albino Colombian, while they can just get a normal one for $100.00?

Dude, Look at this Forum. What dominates most discussions??? Who CARES what is more popular then the other, but if you think the Redtails have surpassed the morphs, where is your Evidence to support that??? Give me some, and I'll dispute it again. It is ALL opinion. What is your REAL NAME????? You are sounding like Hermann. Just jelous that the Morphs are more popular then the Redtails. The prices show the OPPOSITE effect. If the Redtials were as expensive as the morphs, I would say they are MORE popular. Prie reflects Rarity and interest. The Most expensive True Red tails are the ALBINO TRUE REDTAILS. Maybe when they get more mass produced, they will overtake the morphs, but again, I highly doubt it. Wait a minute, the Albino is a morph. lol. WHO CARES?????? Jeremy Stone

jeremy couldnt be any more right....

im primarily a true BCC keeper... localities... like herman*cringe*. however, i have some BCI morphs (dominant hypo and a really cool coDom ghost), and think that the majority of them are stunning. however im getting out of BCI entirely. not because the morphs are ruining them, or their all mutts, or any rant you can name, i simply love a smokin BCC over any BCI anyday (including morphs). its a personal preff. i dont bash or discredit the beauty of what "everybody else" is making.
and the SECOND i can get my hands on a true BCC albino or hypo or anery (all of wich are around the corner herman)i will leap in head first (ive already got a small colony of genetic reverse stripe suris,.... LOCALITY MORPHS...is that a contradiction in terms herman??). as jeremy stated, true boa lovers love and appreciate all boas, wether or not they care to keep and or breed them.
rock on jeremy, keep makin wierd BCI stuff. i may not buy them due to my own preffs,... but i think theyre great.

i dont think hermans an idiot, hes just short sighted, and very vocal on his opinions,... to the point of infringing on others nerves, but he knows alot about his trade, and i respect him for that... just respect what others know and care to do man... return the favour.

thanks for reading guys

sean mills

Judging from your other empty response to me, this is quite a suprise. Well said.

You've encapsulated the essence of "what it is" that we should all remember we feel about all reptiles,and,each other. this "divide,and,conquer" stuff is a very old mistake,and,an incredible waste of our collective energy,don't fall for it!
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EVOLVE,OR,DIE...it's not just a good idea...it's the LAW!

I believe I said "I think that locality...
I never stated that as fact, but opinion. I'm starting to see that your end of this dicussion is degrading into a childish spat. I regret responding to your post above, thinking that this was just a civil disagreement. I thought you were better than this. I was wrong. Take care.

Your original statement is incorrect for several reasons,1."locality" boas (which I think is,in many cases a misnomer,most are matched based on presumption,and,appearence,or,the box they arrived in,rather than factual locality info.)across the board are not always as spectacular as the better known Surinames/Guyanans/Peruvians,etc.,and,many are less appealing,especially to the ever growing number of novice hobbyists,for the simple reason that they are not very brightly colored.(I love all of them,and,if I could I would have 2.3 of every boa on the planet!)Most will never attain the popularity of even some of the now more common,less expensive "morphs". just won't happen,don't believe it? pay close attention to where the crowds gather at the next reptile show,or,expo you attend!...2.The single most compelling arguement against your opinion being true....is the continued importation of juvinile,and,sub-adult true redtails,that rival many captive produced specimens,(in appearence anyway.)this severely affects the market for the breeders,who should be able to charge much more for the added time,and,effort put forth,but,find it hard to get what the animals should be worth,because "Joe Newguy" can get them right off the boat,from any wholesale emporium,with a free bottle of Panacur,for 1/2 the price,and,they're already 3-4 ft. long!(importation,may be a great way to obtain "pure" breeding stock,but,it wounds the market a bit more every year)...by comparison relatively fewer true "morphs" are imported each year in a given shippment of B.c.i.,and,when they appear,it's usually only a few at a time,as opposed to several hundred,so the market is much less affected.So,I'd have to say I understand your opinion,but,can't agree with it.

Good post. One thing I am not...above learning.

Sorry you feel this was childish. I was trying to keep the diagreement at a fun level. If you reread my post and the tone it was said, I think you may agree. I love having debates, and I can respect anothers opinion even if it is not my own. However, Herman is the one who just states fact that are fiction, or stirs a pot that may make me sound Childish. I shouldn't respond to any of his posts anyway. Same old stuff differen day. I am a lover of all boas, true Redtails, morphs, etc.... I would be happy if the Redtails were as popular as the morphs or if they sold for as much money. Really. In fact, I think they someday will. As soon as some of the Morphs are red tails, they are going to be AWESOME, and they are starting now with the True Albino Suri. Now, I just don't think they are more popular, but that doesn't mean the Morphs, are BETTER then the red tails. It is all about individual likes and dislikes. If we were all the same, life would be boring. However, it is great to see that many of us share many of the same interests. I apoligize for being childish, that was not my intention. Jeremy

Telling me that I'm full of it didn't sound like a "fun" level. Perhaps I overreacted but that wasn't the greatest choice of words. No harm done.

After seeing the Big Squeeze I am too scared to go into the snake room.I hired a little 6 year old neighbor kid to go in and clean out the Big Burms' cages.Hasn't come out yet(it's been about a week),but darned if I am going in there and risk my life.

If she comes out, send her over. I need someone to help me put starter courses on the edge of a roof thirty-five feet in the air.