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How do people sell leos as "super hypo tang carrot tails when they have ALL yellow bodies...... Tangs are orange not yellow.... I saw an add for a really orange SHTCT that only has orange at the base of its tail...... I have only seen a few TRUE tangs for sale..... A&M gecko has some..... Great leos by the way..... And the awesome pair I bought from the urban gecko...... I will post pics when the arrive...... People should not sell yellow leos as tangs...... I think it will confuse some people...... The yellows are just super hypos...... Leave out the tang part unless they are really orange.....

It happens all the time. They seem to just be buzzwords and not a reality much of the time. Sometimes even when the pictures look like the animal is orange they are really yellow. The problem is that many of the 'True' carrot tails aren't Tangerine. It's only with a few years of selective breeding and (in most cases, I'm sure) some outcrossing to tangerine animals that we've gotten the orange bodies to match the tails.

Be sure to post some pics of your UG leos when they get there.
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Edited on January 6, 2004 at 18:16:17 by phwyvern.

While I won't dispute that many geckos are "mislabeled" on internet ads, many times it is difficult to show an animals true colors in pictures. I know that I get annoyed all the time when taking pictures to post in my ads, only to have the flash wash out the colors, and I refuse to "tweek" the picture with photo shop to try and get the "true" colors to show. It basically comes down to a breeders reputation when describing the genetics and "in person" colors of the animals they sell.

Personally I rely on word of mouth from previous customers, as well as from people that have seen my geckos in person. I am asked all the time at shows about how many $500 geckos I actually sell at the reptile shows. The answer is not too many. But what I do gain from doing the shows is the opportunity to talk to other herp lovers, the opportunity to have people see my animals in person, and the chance to sell some of the less expensive geckos that "don't make the cut" that I don't bother posting on the website.

That being said, the rather broad brush you use to paint breeders other than the two you mentioned as not having "true tangs" and "true carrot tails" is mildly insulting to other breeders and comes off as a bit ignorant and misinformed on your part.

I'm not trying to get into an argument here, but lately it amazes me how people on this forum have been tossing around their OPINIONS as facts, regardless of wether they know what they are talking about or not.
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Sorry Gaboon, after I re-read that post, I realized it came off more harsh than intended. Guess I shouldn't reply to posts prior to my morning cup of coffee. That and the fact that I'm still a bit peeved at the way Alberto had to come defend himself on the forum yesterday. maybe I'll take a few days off from posting.
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>>Sorry Gaboon, after I re-read that post, I realized it came off more harsh than intended. Guess I shouldn't reply to posts prior to my morning cup of coffee. That and the fact that I'm still a bit peeved at the way Alberto had to come defend himself on the forum yesterday. maybe I'll take a few days off from posting.
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I don't really think you were too harsh. I have seen your geckos and would defend them to anyone who asked, but I've also seen a lot of ads claiming to have 'Tangerine' geckos that were obviously yellow. Some were even claiming to be Hypo or Super hypo and had spots all over their bodies. I guess most of the time we're talking about newer, lesser-known (at least on the internet) breeders who are seemingly starting out selling.

I know exactly what you mean about trying to get pictures to look correct. I sometimes can't even get the white paper towel to look white in my pictures, let alone the gecko's colors looking accurate. It seems each gecko gives my camera a different idea of what color should be what. So, I end up taking 10-15 pictures for each one I put on the internet, and sometimes it still isn't accurate.

But, there are a few indisputable Breeders (many of them on this forum) out there who don't misrepresent, some even underrepresent (Garrick, from what we've read recently) their geckos. I don't think he was trying to take a stab at others on this forum by omitting them from his post.
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Edited on January 6, 2004 at 18:15:44 by phwyvern.

Just throwing my 2 cents into the discussion...

If the breeder has them listed as Tangerine (and they're obviously yellow, no matter how distorted their pictures are), try to explain to them what Tangerine is. If they say it's Hypo or Super Hypo, and there are dots all over the animal, explain to them what that term actually means. But try to be gentle, if you will, with the information.

Some breeders out there have just started breeding Leopard Geckos. Perhaps this is their first, second, or even third year at breeding. They wouldn't know as much as some of the people on this forum who have breeding for 10 years. I know that when I first looked at animals and they said "Super Hypo" I had no idea what they were talking about.

Or perhaps the breeder was jipped, as is many cases that I have myself have dealt with when buying animals. They say it's one thing and turn out to be another (not talking about any breeder, just ranting about the stupid Reptile Place, lol). So before you slander their name (not saying anyone has), just talk to them. If they refuse your help and argue with you....

Tell everyone you know that such-and-such breeder has no idea what he's talking about. His animals are way too over priced for what they actually are. He has them labled wrong. Whatever the case might be. Just try to contact the person first, because I'd be mad if I mislabeled something through stupidity (lol) and got accused of charging to muhc, etc, not saying anyone accused anyone, lol...

Okay, enough rambling,

Time for sleep
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I think I agree because I was confused when looking at some of the ads. I would say to myself I thought super hypos meant no spots when I saw something advertised as super hypo and had spots. And now that you mentioned it one of the things I was confused with was when I saw yellow leos and orange both labled hypo tangerine. Also the thing with the camera flash washing out the color, I have seen alot of pic here and can still tell the orange from yellow clearly. The orange may not be as intense or the yellow may not be but you can tell the orange from the yellow. Now to get my head clear what would make a leo a hypo, super hypo, tang, hypo and super hypo tang? Man im learning alot here. Could you also tell me what my leos are they where traded to me as hypo tang which I beleive but just want others insight on them. forget the last one at the bottom he is a regular.

1.1 regular leos
2.1 hypo tang leos
1.1 het for albino pos het for snow boas

np

The top 2 look to me like they are definitely tang, the one to the right looks like a hypo. I don't know if the one below them would be considered tang or not...but he looks hypo.