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When do you think there will be an afforadable albino ball?

They are one of the mainstream morphs. I think they will hold their value for years. If you really want one, you'll spend the money, I know I will

>>When do you think there will be an afforadable albino ball?
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- Joel Smith

"If you're not part of the solution, you're still part of the problem"

2002.........maybe more or less..........

........even cheaper next year......dropping year by year....

yepp.........

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buy a pair of het babies... i've seen em as cheap as 800 dollarz.....& there you go in a year or 2 you'll have albinos, maybe a few of them

......well.......unless you get year olds..then it took me 1 1/2.......

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..........albinos @ 1200......saw them............yep

true it will take time but it's at the moment i think the cheapest solution unless you wanna shell out the cash for an albino...i dont see albinos being as cheap as 800 dollars in the next 3 years. so the hets would take awhile but i think it's worth it. you can grab a 02 or 01 female & an 03 male that would speed things up but also costs more. the choices are endless..lol

If you but a pair of baby het albinos it should not take 3 years to breed them.

I have yet to see albinos under $1800 either.

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If you get a female that is not a great feeder it may take longer than 3 years........

I have two sisters that are 01..... one is pushing 2000 grams the other is barely 750 grams.

You also have to think that when you breed a pair of hets only 1 out of 4 snakes will be albino.... if you breed a pair of younger smaller hets you might miss if you have a low egg count and the ball python gods arent with you.....

Get an albino male...... its the cheapest way to get your own albinos.....trust me I know...... and remember you can even sell some hets too...

Raul

From what I have learned over the last few years it seems that feeding is more dependant on husbandry than the actual animals.
I have a few Regius that were labeled "Poor feeders" that turned around within a few weeks of being in my care.

I don't necessarily agree with you. I have a snake that ate for the first time tonight ever since I can remember....I think it has been about 10 or 11 months. I definitly don't have any bad husbandry as far as I know. I keep my temps at their best and humidity as close as possible. It isn't necessarily husbandry....I've seen snakes all of a sudden eat because of environment changes. I had a friend that had one that hadn't eatin in a few months...had good husbandry and all...it came to my place and started eating all the time. I don't know what causes this but I've seen it happen quite a few times. I'm just guessing that its a change in environment that makes them want to eat...I don't know but I wouldn't go blaming someone's husbandry when it most probably isn't the problem.

Luke

I wouldnt have invested so much time and money on my snakes if I didnt know how to take care of them........

Since you assumed that I didnt know how to care for my snakes I am going to make a couple assumptions of my own........ you own about 10 or 20 snakes and you have never really bred them. You either bought them as adults or yearlings but you havent had the chance to raise a hatchling to breeding size and you think you know it all....... Pretty close huh????

All snakes are different.....dont believe me???? Call up a breeder that owns a couple of hundred snakes they will tell you.....

So yes it might take more than 3 years to get a homo animal from a pair of hets......I know of one mayor breeder that has had a hard time getting caramels from his pair of hets...... and trust me his snakes are on point.......

Raul

Since you have no idea what your talking about I will clue you in.

"you own about 10 or 20 snakes" WRONG, I have close to 50 animals in my collection at this time.

" you have never really bred them." WRONG, This will be my 4th year breeding snakes.

"You either bought them as adults or yearlings but you havent had the chance to raise a hatchling to breeding size " WRONG, I have animals in my collection that I acquired up to 9 years ago, and I also have some that I raised from hatchlings (that I produced) that are breeding NOW.

"Pretty close huh????" Refer to the above.......

"So yes it might take more than 3 years to get a homo animal from a pair of hets" WOW, your right about something, It could take 4-5 years if the clutches are small or you have bad luck.

How many of those animals are snakes? How many are balls? Balls are a unique creature eating wise. I know people that have poss het pieds that they cant get up to size. Not some know nothing person either. Big breeder type person. Not all snakes will eat well no matter what the husbandry practices are. Just a fact of life when it comes to animals not all of them are the same.
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Derek Affonce
DeKeAff Exotics
dekeaffexotics.com

they do what they want to..........

.........example......get a batch of nice clean gerbils....throw them in with 10 balls..all females..all should eat well......they are breeding now......3 ate the rest didn't.....

wow

so...throw mouse(large) in with 2 of them I know like them..they ate....

throw russian hamsters in with 2...they ate....

throw chinese hamsters in with 2 ...they ate.....

balls suck....BIGTIME.......

LOL

Ah balls in no way suck. They just are not BCIs. They are not as great of eaters. I swear my bcis would eat a rock if I rubbed a rat on it. Balls in general (not all as you know) can cause you to pull your hair out. They go on hunger strikes. Some only like live. Some only mice a t that. Some like the gerbils. I do love balls, but they are more chalenging than a bci or a corn.
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Derek Affonce
DeKeAff Exotics
dekeaffexotics.com

Thats what I said from the start....... and I double the amount of snakes you have so I KNOW that it depends on the individual snake.....

Your math is a little off also.......

You have snakes that are 9 years old but you have only bred them for 4 years.... that means that they were 5 when you began breeding them...... took you a while huh?????

Like I said I have had snakes that bred at 18 months and their sibs are now 3 years old and are no where near breeding size......Its the snakes not the husbandry....

Raul

"You have snakes that are 9 years old but you have only bred them for 4 years.... that means that they were 5 when you began breeding them...... took you a while huh?????"

No moron, this is due to the fact that I DIDN'T ATTEMPT breeding til 4 years ago.

Also YES, all 49 animals in my collection are Ball Pythons.

I aint the one that thinks that all ball pythons are the same....... thats real sharp...... 49 ball pythons huh?????? post some pics man maybe I can get some pointers on husbandry...lol

Raul

Raul, take a chill pill. The guy was trying to make a point. He didn't attack you until you took it personally. Seriously, I'm trying to learn something here, and the only people I can get any solid info out of are the people who don't get all riled up like you do.

Try to learn to hold a message board conversation, rather than a screaming match. It would help us all out a lot, as well as your blood pressure I'm sure.

Smiles,
Alinda

I can't believe I read thru this whole thing........but in my humble opinion your both right. IT'S BOTH!

If your husbandry is not on target and if all the basics are not nailed down, there is know question that it can effect feeding habits.

At the same time you could absolutely have everything dialed in....temps...humidity...food sizing...substrate...etc..etc, yet some balls will look you in the face and say, "go away I'm not eating." I don't know a breeder in the world that would not agree with this. In addition, one might make the argument that some mutations can be more unpredictable as eaters than others.

You certainly cannot overlook solid husbandry regarding ball eating habits, however, husbandry alone will not solve all your eating problems.

Just my opinion with 80 balls many raised as hatchling but by no means a professional.

That all said......finicky or not.......ball pythons are the greatest!!!!!

Jim

it doesn't depend on the female.

but if the female "turns around" and she eats alot.......

she will do ok.....

so it does depend on them...(and luck)....(and food)

...yes..they can breed at 18 months....done it before...doing it now......alot of people "push them"........and some will and some will not grow enough...

I don't want to....but I have a "little piggy" that grew alot..and on November 6 she shut down.....done growing alot...then she will be bred.....she defined this not me....

anyways..........

...........it depends on them

and even if they do breed they do not all lay.......or lay good eggs..........(even some of the 5 pounders I have)

What do you mean by affordable?

When they were $10K, they were too much for me. Now that they are around $2K, I decided to get some (bought 4 of them last year, plus a bunch of het females)