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Reptiles Magazine Dart frog article

kyle1745 Jan 06, 2004 05:27 PM

Anyone else see it?

A little early for the March 2004 copy, but its here.

Not a bad article until the last 2 paragraphs. Where they say it is ok to mix species in the same tank... Funny that anyone I have talked to says its a no no. Now a major magazine promotes it? Here comes the hybrids and crossed crap!

Oh well just my 2 cents, they do have a nice idea on using styrofoam peanutes and then using a piece of cardboard to put rocks in front of them to cover them up.

Just my 2 cents,
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Dart Links - still a work in progress
1.2.0 D. leucomelas
1.1.0 D. azureus
1.0.1 D. imitators

Replies (17)

Double J Jan 06, 2004 06:17 PM

I have been frustrated with this publication for some time now... though amidst all of my whining I keep a subscription to it... hoping that it will redeem itself. It seems the magazine has forgotten all about its more advanced audience... and aims itself at 12 year olds and guys with mullets.
I guess having this magazine is a positive thing for the herp market, though it does a good job at making people dumber as well. I remember in the 2000 issue of Reptiles annual, it gave the housing recommendations for an adult bearded dragon as a 20 long tank! Good lord, I keep mine in a 65 and I still feel I am providing a minimal amount of space. Knitpicking aside.... the info presented just lacks the meat that VIVARIUM used to have.
There was lots of in-depth information.. and for god's sake.. THERE WAS TEXT!!!!! Not so many damn Zoo-med or Fluker farms ads. Now the ads for Flukers Repta rinse are using a hot little nurse whose top you can nearly see into, with the caption "wanna play doctor?" What have things comes to? Well.... I am finsihed my rant... but every time I pick up an old copy of Vivarium magazine, I get a little nostalgic.
Ill shut up now

kyle1745 Jan 06, 2004 06:59 PM

I've heard other countries have actual dart magazines, that would be great.

But to be honest most magazine articles are very one sided and only offer one persons opinion or views.

All I know is that I have talked to a lot of people who have been in this hobby, and most say not to mix. But hey now every 12 year old will have Azureus, Luec crosses after reading that mag...
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Kyle
www.kylesphotos.com
Dart Links - still a work in progress
1.2.0 D. leucomelas
1.1.0 D. azureus
1.0.1 D. imitators

hecktick_punker Jan 06, 2004 09:04 PM

I agree with everything you wrote. Eight years ago I could go to a local pet store or even a book store and find The Vivarium, Reptile Hobbyist, Reptile & Amphibian Magazine, Reptile & Amphibian Hobbyist, etc. - magazines that actually had articles that were worth reading. Reptiles bought out all the good magazines and is now the only one availible in the United States. The pages are flimsy, the articles often lack basic information or are even wrong all together and they now have sections such as "Herp Stuff" where they get to make more money by advertising more products in the form of an article. The Uroplatus article in the March issue was probably the first good article I've read from Reptiles in months.

Right now I'm in the process of trying to complete my Vivarium magazine collection by buying back issues online and at shows. All of the articles are wonderful and the magazine is much higher quality than Reptiles. Reptile & Amphibian Hobbyist was also a pretty decent magazine but its small size was its down fall. Maybe in the future Vivarium will reserect itself, I've talked to dozens of other herpers who would also love to see its return. Anyways, thanks for ranting. It sparked me to rant as well and I now feel much better.
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kyle1745 Jan 06, 2004 09:40 PM

I have a couple ideas... Not sure if I could pull them off, just becuase I do not have the contacts or experience. I might have to ask some people...
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Kyle
www.kylesphotos.com
Dart Links - still a work in progress
1.2.0 D. leucomelas
1.1.0 D. azureus
1.0.1 D. imitators

bgexotics Jan 06, 2004 11:32 PM

I had not thought of using styrofoam peanuts as a substrate. Is this really ok? Also was it just me or was the article an advertisement for Vanishing Jewels and Oceanic aquariums? Alot of articles seem to be disguised ads in that magazine.

kyle1745 Jan 07, 2004 05:34 AM

Yes seemed much more like an ad.
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Kyle
www.kylesphotos.com
Dart Links - still a work in progress
1.2.0 D. leucomelas
1.1.0 D. azureus
1.0.1 D. imitators

Dt Jan 07, 2004 07:39 AM

I couldnt agree more, but the bulk of my experience is with fishkeeping. I find the exact same problems with Fresh water and Marine Aquarium magazine...and Aquarium Fish magazine has become virtually unreadable. I've been looking for a publication that focuses more on vivs and terrariums, but from this thread it seems my search is in vain.

Arklier Jan 07, 2004 10:52 PM

>>I agree with everything you wrote. Eight years ago I could go to a local pet store or even a book store and find The Vivarium, Reptile Hobbyist, Reptile & Amphibian Magazine, Reptile & Amphibian Hobbyist, etc. - magazines that actually had articles that were worth reading. Reptiles bought out all the good magazines and is now the only one availible in the United States. The pages are flimsy, the articles often lack basic information or are even wrong all together and they now have sections such as "Herp Stuff" where they get to make more money by advertising more products in the form of an article. The Uroplatus article in the March issue was probably the first good article I've read from Reptiles in months.

If you're blaming Reptiles for the demise of The Vivarium, you'd be mistaken. It's my opinion that the hobby is not large enough to support at the most two magazines. Even the dog and cat hobbies only have a few non-specific breed magazines. The Vivarium failed because of financial difficulties, plain and simple. While I liked it and bought it when I could, the issue price was steep, and they could only manage to publish sporadically on a very inconsistant basis. You never knew when the next one would come out. Reptiles didn't kill The Vivarium, it simply failed to succeed and the name was bought out when there was nothing left.

As for the others, I don't remember if it was Reptile & Amphibian Magazine, or Reptile & Amphibian Hobbyist but one of them was commercial to an extent that puts Reptiles to shame. They'd have a huge, stiff, full color, 8-12 page bunch of ads for a particular company (I don't recall if it was ZooMed or T-rex, but it was one of them) every single month, plus other ads sprinkled throughout the magazine.

Most of Reptiles' articles are done on a freelance basis, very few are done in house. I haven't gotten my next issue yet, so I can't comment on the quality of the article. Perhaps someone here should have volunteered to write it instead.

Mark F. Jan 06, 2004 11:27 PM

If you dont like the hybrids than dont buy them. Most of the time the frogs come out ugly anyway. So just dont buy them and there wont be any problems. Most of the people that are going to mix species are doing it just to have colorful frogs in a natural terrarium. Like a fish tank. You dont see people having a fish tank with just one species of fish it. Do you? Well I think that I put my 2 cents in.

andersonii85 Jan 07, 2004 09:30 AM

No offense or anything but I do keep only one species of fish per tank. Then again I keep mostly cichlids where I have to. This is what I love about two cents because one can always throw it back into the take a penny leave a penny dish.
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Justin
stk18119@loki.stockton.edu

D.auratus (Costa Rican, Nicaraguan)
D.leucomelas
D.tinctorius (lorenzo, yellowback, citro, pb, oyopock,etc.)
D.azureus
D.ventrimaculatus (yellow/gold)
D.pumilio (blue jeans, solid red)
P.aurotaenia (narrow bands/green)
P.bicolor
E.tricolor (Santa Isabel)
H. leucophyllata
P. hypochondrialis azurea
P. resinifictrix
A. caladryas
etc.......

Mark F. Jan 07, 2004 10:10 PM

So you are saying that you only keep one species of Cichlid in your tank. Right? You dont have any other fish in that tank except that species. You dont have any pterygoplichthys ( pleco ) or any Synodontis in your tank? You also only have one species no a mix from the same lake or river?

Dt Jan 08, 2004 08:33 AM

I have large communities of cichlids from lakes Tanganyika and Malawi. My Malawi tank are all males. I use a breeding tank if I'm inclined to breed a specific fish. I'd never keep a plec in there, just because I dont like to mix lakes...much less continents. I have 2 species of Synodontis in my Tang tank, but one has a very specialized breeding process. I also have species tanks for several species of shell dweller, and several species of Victorians. I also prefer to keep my D. comps in a tank to themselves because in my experience they go on a killing spree when they reach a certain age. My next tank will be for Tropheus, and I would never mix these because they have a specialized diet, and they are so expensive that I wouldnt want to risk cross breeding.

Keep in mind that this is the way I choose to enjoy the hobby, and I'm satisfied with the fact that I'm not flooding the market with mutts. It is not my intention to tell anyone else how to do things. I quit banging my head against the wall long ago.

andersonii85 Jan 08, 2004 09:36 AM

Mark,

This is correct...no plecos or anything else. I just keep a pair of blue rams together. I also have a pair of kribs in a second tank. My meekies are in another tank. All separate, with no other species. Type locality? Sh*t! these fish were shipped from asia....I'm lucky to even know that they are alive much less if they are from the same lake.
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Justin
stk18119@loki.stockton.edu

D.auratus (Costa Rican, Nicaraguan)
D.leucomelas
D.tinctorius (lorenzo, yellowback, citro, pb, oyopock,etc.)
D.azureus
D.ventrimaculatus (yellow/gold)
D.pumilio (blue jeans, solid red)
P.aurotaenia (narrow bands/green)
P.bicolor
E.tricolor (Santa Isabel)
H. leucophyllata
P. hypochondrialis azurea
P. resinifictrix
A. caladryas
etc.......

andersonii85 Jan 08, 2004 09:39 AM

By the way, I am not arguing for hybrids or mixed species tanks. I just like to keep things separate. I just didn't like your generalization about tropical fish keeping. No offense intended.
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Justin
stk18119@loki.stockton.edu

D.auratus (Costa Rican, Nicaraguan)
D.leucomelas
D.tinctorius (lorenzo, yellowback, citro, pb, oyopock,etc.)
D.azureus
D.ventrimaculatus (yellow/gold)
D.pumilio (blue jeans, solid red)
P.aurotaenia (narrow bands/green)
P.bicolor
E.tricolor (Santa Isabel)
H. leucophyllata
P. hypochondrialis azurea
P. resinifictrix
A. caladryas
etc.......

Dt Jan 07, 2004 09:31 AM

On the contrary, as far as fish go, many of us maintain species tanks for various reasons. Dietary requirements, aggression, but most importantly to avoid hybridization. It may not be the same for all people, but in my circle of friends, Hobbyists tend to undergo a maturation period in which proper husbandry and preservation of species becomes important to us. I feel that this is a natural process, and those who dont experience it tend to lose interest and eventually drop out of the hobby. Just my opinion.

Mark F. Jan 07, 2004 10:14 PM

You have the right to your opinion. However I have been keeping fish for a long time and I have never just had one species of fish in my tank. I also dont know many people that do. Unless they are attepting to pair up fish from breeding. You can also look at all the fish in the hobby today that were not natural. People buy them all the time and they are ok with the fact that they are a hybrid. If you dont like putting PDF's together dont but some of the people want to and its ok..

snmreptiles Jan 06, 2004 11:47 PM

There are quite a few issues that have info on darts, vivarium ideas, etc, and the magazine is PACKED with useful info! Luckily my local pet store still gets this publication although no one buys it and just give it to me when the new one comes in! Timberline is the distributor for the US, but you can order back issues at the link!
Reptilia Magazine

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