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I was wondering if their are any other frogs that can live in the same cage as green tree frogs. I am going to move my two green tree frogs into a ten gallon tank. I figured this will give enough room to add one or more cagemates. But I want to know if I should get only green tree frogs, or if their are other frogs that I can put with them. Thanks.
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Heidi Kagarise
purpledragon777@hotmail.com

first of all,it is good you want want to improve the space for your GTFs. but a ten gallon is much too small for 2 greenies. a 15 or twenty gallon is much more suitable.

also, species should never ever be mixed,especially in a small tank like a 10 gallon. each species has their own toxins and requirements which can be harmful to ther frogs and vice versa. so please do your greenies the favor and move them into a bigger tank and dont give them any roommates!

>>first of all,it is good you want want to improve the space for your GTFs. but a ten gallon is much too small for 2 greenies. a 15 or twenty gallon is much more suitable.
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>>also, species should never ever be mixed,especially in a small tank like a 10 gallon. each species has their own toxins and requirements which can be harmful to ther frogs and vice versa. so please do your greenies the favor and move them into a bigger tank and dont give them any roommates!

I dont understand how a ten gallon tank is too small for two green tree frogs. They are so small. They are maybe 1 1/2 inches long at the most. Why do they need so much room?
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Heidi Kagarise
purpledragon777@hotmail.com

a 10 gallon aquarium is too small for 2 green tree frogs. A 15 gallon or larger will suit them alot better.
These frogs need space to jump around if you want more than 2 frogs i would upgrape to a 20 gallon. What size tank have you been keeping them in?
Chris

GTFs are such active frogs,it really is better for them to have more room to climb and jump and do their thing. imagine being locked in a 4 by 4 jail cell all day,thats basicslly what it is to them,ya know? if you want ot treat them right it would definately be better for them to have a bigger tank. what have you been keeping them in anyways?

>>a 10 gallon aquarium is too small for 2 green tree frogs. A 15 gallon or larger will suit them alot better.
>>These frogs need space to jump around if you want more than 2 frogs i would upgrape to a 20 gallon. What size tank have you been keeping them in?
>>Chris

how big do green tree frogs get? mine dont move much, or at least I dont notice them. Sometimes they even sit together. I had been keeping them in a small plastic carrying cage. ( about 11in x 7in x 7in )
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Heidi Kagarise
purpledragon777@hotmail.com

You have had these two GTFs for two and a half years and they're only 1 1/2" long? Either you're not measuring right, there is something wrong with the frogs, or you don't have GTFs at all. Is there any way you can post pics for us to make sure you have the right ID on these guys?

A 10-gallon is too small for two, even cramped for a single, GTF. Then again, GTFs are not supposed to be 1 1/2" long... mine are all nearly twice that.

Animals should not be mixed, except maybe compatible animals by experienced owners in large (greenhouse-type, usually) enclosures. The animals you listed weren't compatible, they live in different areas and environment types, they are supposed to be different sizes, and fire-bellied toads are highly toxic.

If they survived this long, I'd be happy about it and get them all checked out by a vet to make sure that nothing is going on. However, now that you know better and can separate them you can be sure they'll live much longer and happier, not to mention healthier.
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Got hips like Cinderella / Must be having a good shame / Talking sweet about nothing / Cookie I think you're Tame

My entire post is obviously not just intended towards you, HJK, but also Herplover2004, so don't read it like that (sometimes I just don't think when I type ), but just read it as information that you both need to be aware of.
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Got hips like Cinderella / Must be having a good shame / Talking sweet about nothing / Cookie I think you're Tame

well if you knew anything about fire belly toads you would know that like all other toads they only secrete a toxin when they are being eaten or attacked.Not just at random like your saying

wow. apparently youre th eone who knows nothing about firebelly toads,because they are those colors for a reaosn. they are ALWAYS toxic. in work onc ei put my hand in the firebellies cage where the water is after all the firebellies had all been sold. i rubbed my eyes and a couple of minutes later my eyes were stinging so badly!!! so please,read any caresheet and it does not justify what you say as correct.

i am sorry,i got most of my info from here
http://www.wnyherp.org/cs-firebellytoad.html
under general apperance is where i got that toxin thing from
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My herps:1.3leopard geckos,1.0 green iguana, 0.0.3 chinese water dragons, 2.2 fire belly toads, 0.0.1 green tree frog, 0.0.1 egyptian toad, many tropical fish, 1.1 purebred German shepherds

yeah, definitely read a couple other caresheets. All frogs are toxic as mentioned in previous posts. The toxins can be both released AND always present. A firebelly is always toxic... and more so when threatened. There have been accounts of firebellies making other species kept in the same tank very sick and all the other frog did was walk over the firebellie or soak in the same water dish. It's a very dangerous situation when dealing with firebellies and there are so many people that don't look into these things because "the petshop guy told me...."

As for the toxins of other frogs... keep in mind that a frog can "spread" it's toxin around to protect its territory. Another frog comes along, rests on the "tainted" branch or leaf and absorbs the toxin. When the frog of another species absorbs that toxin it gets sick. In captivity, saddly, it results in death because far too many people keep mixed species in enclosures much to small to provid each species their own "space" In smaller enclosures, all those toxins from each frog builds upand mixes, making for a dangerous enviroment for all held within.
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Heather
The Gang (1.1.0 agalychnis callidryas, 0.2.0 bufo spinulosus, 4.0.0 osteopilus septentrionalis)

ellasmommie@yahoo.com

ok thank you for the info, today i am making a new cage for the firebellys. I am just happy that they are still alive. Thanks again
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My herps:1.3leopard geckos,1.0 green iguana, 0.0.3 chinese water dragons, 2.2 fire belly toads, 0.0.1 green tree frog, 0.0.1 egyptian toad, many tropical fish, 1.1 purebred German shepherds

8-)
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*~~Whitney~~*

Though here at journey's end I lie in darkness buried deep, beyond all towers strong and high, beyond all mountains steep, above all shadows rides the Sun and Stars forever dwell: I will not say the Day is done, nor bid the Stars farewell."

Different toxins different mechanisms.

>>You have had these two GTFs for two and a half years and they're only 1 1/2" long? Either you're not measuring right, there is something wrong with the frogs, or you don't have GTFs at all. Is there any way you can post pics for us to make sure you have the right ID on these guys?
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>>A 10-gallon is too small for two, even cramped for a single, GTF. Then again, GTFs are not supposed to be 1 1/2" long... mine are all nearly twice that.
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>>Animals should not be mixed, except maybe compatible animals by experienced owners in large (greenhouse-type, usually) enclosures. The animals you listed weren't compatible, they live in different areas and environment types, they are supposed to be different sizes, and fire-bellied toads are highly toxic.
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>>If they survived this long, I'd be happy about it and get them all checked out by a vet to make sure that nothing is going on. However, now that you know better and can separate them you can be sure they'll live much longer and happier, not to mention healthier.
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>>Got hips like Cinderella / Must be having a good shame / Talking sweet about nothing / Cookie I think you're Tame

I have only had my tree frogs since the beginning of November. One is growing some, but the other one hasnt. This morning I went to feed them and the small one was dead. I'm not sure why, it was eating fine before. The one is nice and fat and healthy looking. He at 3 crickets this morning. My anole is doing just fine. He ate this morning too. I put them in a small plastic rubbermaid container to feed. That way they dont have to fight over food and I know that each is eating and getting enough. I did have to put up a towel between their cage and my beardie's cage. The beardie was checking them out, lol.
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Heidi Kagarise
purpledragon777@hotmail.com

Im sorry,HJK, but there is no help for you. your frog has died because of your carelessness and want of a community tank but you still dont see what is right infront of your face. good ridance to you.

>>Im sorry,HJK, but there is no help for you. your frog has died because of your carelessness and want of a community tank but you still dont see what is right infront of your face. good ridance to you.

For your information I went out and bought supplies to make another cage. I am currently in the process of making it. Even the petstore has tree frogs die once in awhile. I guess everyone cant be perfect like you. Yes, I was hoping it was possible to have them both live in the same cage. But since its not, I went and got a new cage. The new one is alot bigger. Now the gtf and the anole will have their own big cage.
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Heidi Kagarise
purpledragon777@hotmail.com

>>You have had these two GTFs for two and a half years and they're only 1 1/2" long? Either you're not measuring right, there is something wrong with the frogs, or you don't have GTFs at all. Is there any way you can post pics for us to make sure you have the right ID on these guys?
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>>A 10-gallon is too small for two, even cramped for a single, GTF. Then again, GTFs are not supposed to be 1 1/2" long... mine are all nearly twice that.
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>>Animals should not be mixed, except maybe compatible animals by experienced owners in large (greenhouse-type, usually) enclosures. The animals you listed weren't compatible, they live in different areas and environment types, they are supposed to be different sizes, and fire-bellied toads are highly toxic.
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>>If they survived this long, I'd be happy about it and get them all checked out by a vet to make sure that nothing is going on. However, now that you know better and can separate them you can be sure they'll live much longer and happier, not to mention healthier.
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>>Got hips like Cinderella / Must be having a good shame / Talking sweet about nothing / Cookie I think you're Tame

hopefully this works. probably wont. if it doesnt i will try again later. i gotta go run some errands.

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Heidi Kagarise
purpledragon777@hotmail.com

>>>>You have had these two GTFs for two and a half years and they're only 1 1/2" long? Either you're not measuring right, there is something wrong with the frogs, or you don't have GTFs at all. Is there any way you can post pics for us to make sure you have the right ID on these guys?
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>>>>A 10-gallon is too small for two, even cramped for a single, GTF. Then again, GTFs are not supposed to be 1 1/2" long... mine are all nearly twice that.
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>>>>Animals should not be mixed, except maybe compatible animals by experienced owners in large (greenhouse-type, usually) enclosures. The animals you listed weren't compatible, they live in different areas and environment types, they are supposed to be different sizes, and fire-bellied toads are highly toxic.
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>>>>If they survived this long, I'd be happy about it and get them all checked out by a vet to make sure that nothing is going on. However, now that you know better and can separate them you can be sure they'll live much longer and happier, not to mention healthier.
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>>>>Got hips like Cinderella / Must be having a good shame / Talking sweet about nothing / Cookie I think you're Tame
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>>hopefully this works. probably wont. if it doesnt i will try again later. i gotta go run some errands.
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>>Heidi Kagarise
>>purpledragon777@hotmail.com

well obviously it didnt work. can someone tell me how to put pics on these forums. thanks.
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Heidi Kagarise
purpledragon777@hotmail.com

If that is all true, i apologize for my words. it didnt look like you were going to budge. im glad youve seen the right point of view. your pics didnt show up,but im anxious to see them. good look with your froggies and anole,and again im sorry for my last post,i really thought you had your mind set.

>>If that is all true, i apologize for my words. it didnt look like you were going to budge. im glad youve seen the right point of view. your pics didnt show up,but im anxious to see them. good look with your froggies and anole,and again im sorry for my last post,i really thought you had your mind set.

I just got done making the new cages and moving everyone around. The tree frogs are in a nice big tank and the anoles are in their own big tank. I accept you apology. thanks.
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Heidi Kagarise
purpledragon777@hotmail.com

Is the tank really 11 x 7 x 7?? thats just barely 2 gallons! no wonder they sit on eachother. are these guys from a pet store or did you find them outside? if they are from outside maybe you should look into releasing them or returning them to the store, because its starting to sound like there not going to be very happy (but ONLY relese them if they are a native species!!!) Remember we just want whats best for the frogs, and hopefully you do too!
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0.1.0. Leo
1.0.0. Sneaky House Gecko
0.1.0. WTF (looking for a male!)

Actually, just because a frog is "native" to a particular habitat that does not mean it can be released into the wild. First of all, it is illegal. Secondly releasing is not only hazardous when non-native and invasive species are released, but also when native short or long term captives are "returned into the wild". Our captives do not have the same organisms as their wild counterparts do, making them vulnarable to disease while simultaneously exposing the wild population to "bugs" they have no resistance to. Not only do you put the native population at risk, but also many other animals who can ingest the same organisms and also suffer ill effects. Think small pox and the Native American. Both were heathly as horses, until they met each other. If you catch any amphibian or reptile from the wild no matter the cause, be it rehabilitaion or observation, and can no longer care for them, do not release them and put either them or the wild population at risk unless you have taken special precautions not to contaminate them by introducing store bought tank mates or housing them in an enclosure formerly holding another animal.
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*~~Whitney~~*

Though here at journey's end I lie in darkness buried deep, beyond all towers strong and high, beyond all mountains steep, above all shadows rides the Sun and Stars forever dwell: I will not say the Day is done, nor bid the Stars farewell."

Ok.. i guess it isnt the best idea.... I was kind of reminising to when i was 10 and we caught tadpoles, raised them (now that i think about it they were outside, eating outdoor things) and released them at the end of the summer. i kind of suspect thats the case here
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0.1.0. Leo
1.0.0. Sneaky House Gecko
0.1.0. WTF (looking for a male!)

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*~~Whitney~~*

Though here at journey's end I lie in darkness buried deep, beyond all towers strong and high, beyond all mountains steep, above all shadows rides the Sun and Stars forever dwell: I will not say the Day is done, nor bid the Stars farewell."

>>Is the tank really 11 x 7 x 7?? thats just barely 2 gallons! no wonder they sit on eachother. are these guys from a pet store or did you find them outside? if they are from outside maybe you should look into releasing them or returning them to the store, because its starting to sound like there not going to be very happy (but ONLY relese them if they are a native species!!!) Remember we just want whats best for the frogs, and hopefully you do too!
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>>0.1.0. Leo
>>1.0.0. Sneaky House Gecko
>>0.1.0. WTF (looking for a male!)

They are not native where I live, at least not that I know of. The cage I did have them in was that size. I moved them to a ten gal. tank.
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Heidi Kagarise
purpledragon777@hotmail.com

ok, so if they werent from outside DONT put them outside. dosent sound like your going to do this, but i just dont want to be responsible for the idea!
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0.1.0. Leo
1.0.0. Sneaky House Gecko
0.1.0. WTF (looking for a male!)

I just wanted to comment on your question that you posted on the tree frog forum. A 10 gallon truly is too small for two tree frogs. Of course they are very small now, they apparently still have some growing to do. Although I always argue you can never adequately re-create nature in a tank, at the same time do you think that a 10 gallon accurately represents the space they are active in the wild? Hardly! Those two tree frogs can barely get away from each other for more than just a few inches. The point of all this is not to criticize anybody, it's to put an emphasis on animals that are solely dependent upon you for every aspect of their lives. Why think in terms of the bare minimum you have to have, a 20 gallon really does not cost that much, why not think in terms of how much more you can give them?

To actually answer your question, positively, 100%, absolutely do not mix species!
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"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
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if you already have a lid and lights and are concerned about money. petsmart sells an 18 gallon super high tank that can have the same lid ect... as a ten. it only costs about $30 can.
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0.1.0. Leo
1.0.0. Sneaky House Gecko
0.1.0. WTF (looking for a male!)

i have a green tree frog,3 fire belly toads and an egyptian toad in the same 20 gallon tank for about 2 1/2 years now without any problems. As long as you have plenty of hiding spots and plants they should be fine. i dont recommend the firebelly toads unless you have a huge water dish.

>>i have a green tree frog,3 fire belly toads and an egyptian toad in the same 20 gallon tank for about 2 1/2 years now without any problems. As long as you have plenty of hiding spots and plants they should be fine. i dont recommend the firebelly toads unless you have a huge water dish.

I have moved my 2 tree frogs and 1 anole in a 10 gal. tank. I have a large leafy branch (bought at craft store) in there for them. It gives them plenty of places to hide. I also know a guy that has a 'mixed' tank and it's doing great.
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Heidi Kagarise
purpledragon777@hotmail.com

It really is never ending isn't it? The ability of humans to come up with such inhumane notions......I don't know why at this point that it still amazes me.
This is my sincere effort to put what you are doing into a perspective you can really grasp. You say they are only 1.5 inches and as they will grow to around 2 inches and they are both in a 10 gallon tank, they each have 2.5 gallons of space per inch of length. So the average man is - we'll just pick the nice round number of 6 feet tall, 72 inches - so he could live comfortably in a 200 (190) gallon tank right? And then if you doubled that to a whopping 400 gallons you could add another adult and say a cougar and a rattlesnake and as long as they all had many places to hide in there they would survive just fine, right?? I'm sure they would just be peachy - don't you wanna just run off to volunteer to be the first to try it? C'mon now, seriously think about what you are saying. Below is a link to my website, there is a husbandry page and a GTF page there which you may find beneficial if you are interested on how to care for your captives in their best interest. I would advise that you find accurate sheets on the other species involved and set them up in appropriate habitats as well. Maybe even search the archives here for the mixing disasters - I assure you if you do your research you will find many, many more logical reasons not to mix compared to the hap-hazard, selfish-human excuses that say it's okay.
Just my .02 cents worth. I tried.
www.froggie.info

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Happy Frogging!!!

~Becki~

Theres no point in trying anymore becki. People who dont listen will pay for it later. Sadly, its actually the animals who will.

cjk, why come and ask for advice, get the advice, but dont take it? Are you going to keep asking until you hear what you want to hear. The majority of people here dont agree on mixing in such a small tank, yet only one person really has replied in a way you were looking for. Are you that easily discouraged.

Good luck with them anyhow.
M.N

Your other frog died simply because you do not know how to care for your frogs. Mixing them with green anoles isnt the best thing to do. Putting two of them together with an anole in a 10 gallon tank isnt to bright. It sounds like all they have is one branch probably not even a water bowl. What do you feed them? Do you gut load and dust the insects? What kind of substrate do the frogs have? You really need to get them a 20 gallon tank, more plants, a cave, and many other things. You also need to separate them immediatly from the anole.
Chris

>>Your other frog died simply because you do not know how to care for your frogs. Mixing them with green anoles isnt the best thing to do. Putting two of them together with an anole in a 10 gallon tank isnt to bright. It sounds like all they have is one branch probably not even a water bowl. What do you feed them? Do you gut load and dust the insects? What kind of substrate do the frogs have? You really need to get them a 20 gallon tank, more plants, a cave, and many other things. You also need to separate them immediatly from the anole.
>>Chris

I am new to keeping reptiles, so forgive me for not being a know-it-all. I do have a water dish in there thank u very much. I feed them crickets, gut loaded. They were being dusted with calcium till my son dumped the whole bottle on the floor, so I need to get more now. I put each in a seperate container when feeding to make sure they are all getting enough. I have paper towels for substrate. They have only been living with the anole for like 2 days. I am currently constructing a new cage so I can split the species.
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Heidi Kagarise
purpledragon777@hotmail.com

Your "new" to keeping reptiles and you already have a frog an anolie and a bearded dragon? may i ask what the bearded dragon is living in?
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0.1.0. Leo
1.0.0. Sneaky House Gecko
0.1.0. WTF (looking for a male!)

>>Your "new" to keeping reptiles and you already have a frog an anolie and a bearded dragon? may i ask what the bearded dragon is living in?
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>>0.1.0. Leo
>>1.0.0. Sneaky House Gecko
>>0.1.0. WTF (looking for a male!)

I have a ball python that I've had for a year. But other than that I am new to most reps. I have read alot about some, but not so much about others. I just bought the beardie, frogs, and anoles within the past few weeks. The beardie I already new more about. I have him in a 20 gal. high tank. He has proper lighting and heat. He is still young so this tank is enough room for right now. I am in the process of drawing up plans for a home-made cage for him. It will most likely end up being huge (like 6ft x 3ft x 2ft, or something close to that). I am used to owning animals like rats, mice, hamsters, rabbits, birds, ferrets, etc. I just recently found I have a love for reps. I know I should have found out more about the gtf's and anoles before I bought them. I admit I did make a mistake there. One I wont make again. I am trying to find out as much as I can and do what I can for them.
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Heidi Kagarise
purpledragon777@hotmail.com