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Hello! I am looking to do a possible trade. In this trade I would be getting a male pastel. This person is a repuable dealer with very good feedback. NOW...the pastel in question is actually dark and really doesn't have the color of most of the pastels I have seen. This pastel has both the clear belly and the 2 tone eyes. This breeder has about 5 or so pastels like this. The breeder claims the pastels are a lesser quality meaning that they are not as brightly colored. I have pics of these snakes, but will not show them until i get premission from the breeder. These snakes,to me, really look normal, but have both the 2 tone eyes and clear belly. If i decide to go through with this deal I will actually be meeting this person and get to see the animal first hand. My question to you guys is...is there such pastels around..basically lesser quality pastels that have the pastel trait or could these be just "normals" with the pastel characteristics. The breeder says the pastels he has all look like this. but he said he does have pastels that are brightly colored but are a little more costly. Any info would be appreciated..also..if you have any pics of "lesser quality" pastels..PLEASE POST...I will post pics of these "pastels" once I get permission from the breeder.

It would be easier to determine with pictures.

But it could be both, I have seen some pretty bad looking pastels...sometimes there are some ugly ones .

And there are normals with the two tone eye color and clear belly. So it's up to you in trustin gthe reputable dealer.

Even so, I am sure we could all help you out once you post a picture.

joel

>>Hello! I am looking to do a possible trade. In this trade I would be getting a male pastel. This person is a repuable dealer with very good feedback. NOW...the pastel in question is actually dark and really doesn't have the color of most of the pastels I have seen. This pastel has both the clear belly and the 2 tone eyes. This breeder has about 5 or so pastels like this. The breeder claims the pastels are a lesser quality meaning that they are not as brightly colored. I have pics of these snakes, but will not show them until i get premission from the breeder. These snakes,to me, really look normal, but have both the 2 tone eyes and clear belly. If i decide to go through with this deal I will actually be meeting this person and get to see the animal first hand. My question to you guys is...is there such pastels around..basically lesser quality pastels that have the pastel trait or could these be just "normals" with the pastel characteristics. The breeder says the pastels he has all look like this. but he said he does have pastels that are brightly colored but are a little more costly. Any info would be appreciated..also..if you have any pics of "lesser quality" pastels..PLEASE POST...I will post pics of these "pastels" once I get permission from the breeder.
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- Joel Smith

"If you're not part of the solution, you're still part of the problem"

I tried to upload the pics on here, but they were sent using a zip file. I moved the pics to "my documents", but still wouldn't post...I could try to email them to you and maybe you can post them...email me your email address lanierreptiles@hotmail.com

Email me at jefffavelle@shaw.ca and I'll try and let you know.
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Post the pics! If he/she is a reputable dealer, they won't mind. A picture is worth a thousand words!

I have seen pastels that are more colorfull than others, but the thing that would bother me about the trade, is that he is asking more money for better looking pastels. A pastel, regardless of looks, still is genetic pastel, and will produce pastels. The looks of the pastel in ? would have no influence on how the offsring look, if it is truly a pastel. If you had a pied that is 95% white, that doesn't mean you will produce babies that are all 95% white.

What are you talking about? Have you ever bought or sold high end animals? You price the animal bye there look(quality) and genes they carry. When I decide to let my snakes go I price them bye how they look. Just like every other breeder I now. Are you telling me you would pay $1500 for an ugly pastel? I sure wouldnt. Go look at Nerd's website. Do you see the price difference in his Spiders. I wonder why there priced differently. LOL

good post.

>>What are you talking about? Have you ever bought or sold high end animals? You price the animal bye there look(quality) and genes they carry. When I decide to let my snakes go I price them bye how they look. Just like every other breeder I now. Are you telling me you would pay $1500 for an ugly pastel? I sure wouldnt. Go look at Nerd's website. Do you see the price difference in his Spiders. I wonder why there priced differently. LOL
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- Joel Smith

"If you're not part of the solution, you're still part of the problem"

Just one more thing to say. I just happen to buy a male pastel from very reputable breeder. When i asked him how much for a male pastel, he did not say, well i have this screamer for 1,500 ,and i have this ok looking one for 1,100, and i have a really ugly one for 800.00. I knew who i was buying it from, and i know his stock is good. So maybe he answered his own ?

And they always are

Youre missing my point. And no i'm not crazy. I see alot of people selling normal bp's for $150-$500 just because they are lighter in color than others. My piont is that no matter what you spend on the normal, it is still just a normal, and will only produce normals. How many snakes have you produced that look identical to the parents? What i'm saying is just because your snake is not the best looking snake on the planet, doesn't mean that some of its offspring won't be atrative. I have 2 normal females that are gorgous, does that mean every baby that they produce for me is going to look just like them, no it just means i will have more normal ball pyhtons. I'm talking about genetics. And i know that we all whant screamers for are collection, but that doesn't mean we pass up on a morph because it is not the best looking in the bunch, it still holds the genetic key to producing more.

Well I only buy screamers. So I would pass on the ugly one. I would rather pay 2000 for the best of the best. Im not gonna buy crap just so I can have a chance of making screamers. The best method to make the screamers would be to start with screamer parents. Do you get what im saying?

I get what you are saying. But let me ask you a ? Are you a screamer, or are you ugly? And if you are ugly and produce children, will they be ugly, or beautifull to you?

I didn't mean to offend anybody, I just think that sometimes money is the motivation, and not the love for the snakes. You can't show me an ugly snake in my opinion. This will be my last post on this site.

This site is here to exchange information and debate. No need to "quit it".

But in all honesty, there are some rather poor quality pastels out there, and they do go for less money.

>>I didn't mean to offend anybody, I just think that sometimes money is the motivation, and not the love for the snakes. You can't show me an ugly snake in my opinion. This will be my last post on this site.
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- Joel Smith

"If you're not part of the solution, you're still part of the problem"

Don't take this the wrong way but you have a ugly trait. You are upset at the replies give to you. I wouldn't want my kids to have that trait so I wouldn't have any with you. I would find someone without that trait and hopefully my kids won't have it. When you start off in the negative there is a good chance you will end up in the negative. If I buy a nice looking snake ( in my opinion) then I believe i have a good chance to get a nice looking off spring. Not always true but we want to believe that. Also remember beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but if the majority say it's ugly and you say it's not IT"S UGLY. Don't leave us just let us didagree and not get angry and leave.
Keep the faith

I was unable to post the pics due to the way they were sent. But I have emailed the pics to Jeff Favelle. He has looked at them. You can ask him about the pics. He doesn't think they are pastels and I would have to agree. If you want to see I will be happy to email them to you. I will not be home until about 11pm tonight so it will be awhile before i get to sending them though. Thanks

maybe if jeff can forward them to me, please

joel@four1seven.com

I think you should also post the breeder trying to market them as pastels. I am not dissing him, it's just good to know who sells what AS what. Thanks

>>I was unable to post the pics due to the way they were sent. But I have emailed the pics to Jeff Favelle. He has looked at them. You can ask him about the pics. He doesn't think they are pastels and I would have to agree. If you want to see I will be happy to email them to you. I will not be home until about 11pm tonight so it will be awhile before i get to sending them though. Thanks
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- Joel Smith

"If you're not part of the solution, you're still part of the problem"

Same here. I would like to now who is selling them. And would like to see the pics. Email: cheeba1983@aol.com

Sent.

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- Joel Smith

"If you're not part of the solution, you're still part of the problem"

I fell this breeder has a good reputation from what I have read on the BOI and other places and I am not about to make a negative statement on here about them. ACTUALLY..the person has been very upfront with me....I will be meeting this person on monday to actually see these snakes first hand. Either way this breeder is going to take a snake off my hands. Either I will sell him my snake for cash OR If I see the "pastels" in person and they look like pastels I will take one of those, BUT more than likely I am going to take cash. I am taking my camera with me and will take pics of the pastels in question and then will release the pics on here next tuesday. I feel this breeder to be an honest person and until i see otherwise they will remain nameles. Thank You

he isn't honest, congrats on helping out society. /sarcasm

If he is, then good luck with the pastels.

>>I fell this breeder has a good reputation from what I have read on the BOI and other places and I am not about to make a negative statement on here about them. ACTUALLY..the person has been very upfront with me....I will be meeting this person on monday to actually see these snakes first hand. Either way this breeder is going to take a snake off my hands. Either I will sell him my snake for cash OR If I see the "pastels" in person and they look like pastels I will take one of those, BUT more than likely I am going to take cash. I am taking my camera with me and will take pics of the pastels in question and then will release the pics on here next tuesday. I feel this breeder to be an honest person and until i see otherwise they will remain nameles. Thank You
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- Joel Smith

"If you're not part of the solution, you're still part of the problem"

We'll I understand what your saying. But you should give us the info anyways. Your not only getting screwed(ive seen the pics) but your screwing others that will fall for his trick. Dont just think of yourself think of the community. I dont care if he is a repuable dealer. He's not very honest imo. You need to let the rest of use in on this. He needs to be stopped and this is the only way.

Thanks

Jeff L.

to never purchase animals by anyone associated with the name "Lanier". Thanks!

>>I fell this breeder has a good reputation from what I have read on the BOI and other places and I am not about to make a negative statement on here about them. ACTUALLY..the person has been very upfront with me....I will be meeting this person on monday to actually see these snakes first hand. Either way this breeder is going to take a snake off my hands. Either I will sell him my snake for cash OR If I see the "pastels" in person and they look like pastels I will take one of those, BUT more than likely I am going to take cash. I am taking my camera with me and will take pics of the pastels in question and then will release the pics on here next tuesday. I feel this breeder to be an honest person and until i see otherwise they will remain nameles. Thank You
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- Joel Smith

"If you're not part of the solution, you're still part of the problem"

I take GREAT offense to this. I came here to get opinions about a snake. And now you are calling me a crook? What or who in the hell gives you the right to call me a CROOK? I have never done business with you and I have A LOT of refrences that can back me up on this. Just because I will not give you the name of the breeder/dealer of this snake does not give you the authority to come here and call me a crook. I told EVERYBODY here that on TUESDAY I would post the name of this person ONCE I SEE THE SNAKES FIRST HAND!!! AND ONLY THEN...Will I post that INFO..If you dont like it..FINE..But to sit here and call me a crook is CRAZY...I am sure everyone else who reads this will AGREE. BESIDES..This person hasn't even tried to sell the snakes to anyone else....THis person and MYSELF were going to make a trade for some animals. He hadn't even planned on selling these anyways. In the future you need to be AWARE of what you are saying about other people and trying to ruin their reputation before KNOWING THE WHOLE STORY!! Thank You!

LOL,

"to never purchase animals by anyone associated with the name "Lanier". Thanks! "

where did I call you a "crook" smart guy?

>>I take GREAT offense to this. I came here to get opinions about a snake. And now you are calling me a crook? What or who in the hell gives you the right to call me a CROOK? I have never done business with you and I have A LOT of refrences that can back me up on this. Just because I will not give you the name of the breeder/dealer of this snake does not give you the authority to come here and call me a crook. I told EVERYBODY here that on TUESDAY I would post the name of this person ONCE I SEE THE SNAKES FIRST HAND!!! AND ONLY THEN...Will I post that INFO..If you dont like it..FINE..But to sit here and call me a crook is CRAZY...I am sure everyone else who reads this will AGREE. BESIDES..This person hasn't even tried to sell the snakes to anyone else....THis person and MYSELF were going to make a trade for some animals. He hadn't even planned on selling these anyways. In the future you need to be AWARE of what you are saying about other people and trying to ruin their reputation before KNOWING THE WHOLE STORY!! Thank You!
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- Joel Smith

"If you're not part of the solution, you're still part of the problem"

You can stop with the whole drama queen act too... it only makes you look worse.

>>I take GREAT offense to this. I came here to get opinions about a snake. And now you are calling me a crook? What or who in the hell gives you the right to call me a CROOK? I have never done business with you and I have A LOT of refrences that can back me up on this. Just because I will not give you the name of the breeder/dealer of this snake does not give you the authority to come here and call me a crook. I told EVERYBODY here that on TUESDAY I would post the name of this person ONCE I SEE THE SNAKES FIRST HAND!!! AND ONLY THEN...Will I post that INFO..If you dont like it..FINE..But to sit here and call me a crook is CRAZY...I am sure everyone else who reads this will AGREE. BESIDES..This person hasn't even tried to sell the snakes to anyone else....THis person and MYSELF were going to make a trade for some animals. He hadn't even planned on selling these anyways. In the future you need to be AWARE of what you are saying about other people and trying to ruin their reputation before KNOWING THE WHOLE STORY!! Thank You!
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- Joel Smith

"If you're not part of the solution, you're still part of the problem"

By saying that you would never do business with someone whos last name is LANIER is CALLING me a crook. You are the one acting like a DRAMA QUEEN by getting pissy because i will not release the name until tuesday..what? Little baby can't wait?? Gotta have it now?? AHHHHH TOO BAD...your gonna have to wait!

Your the drama queen first off. I now Joel and thats not what he meant. But I will never buy snakes off you either Your not giving up the name shows how low you are. Your as bad as the guy selling it. You must want others to get scammed. You dont care about the market one bit. You come here asking for help. Then you dont like the answers and replies we give you. Then you cry like a girl. Your not even worth my time. If I wanna argue with a girl ill talk with my girlfriend. LOL

Jeff L.

What or who in the hell gives you the right to call me a CROOK? I have never done business with you and I have A LOT of refrences that can back me up on this. Just because I will not give you the name of the breeder/dealer of this snake does not give you the authority to come here and call me a crook.

In my opinion you are as bad as he is. Maybe your not a crook but your helping him out. So why not give out the name now? Think bout this. How many people might get scammed between here and Tuesday? Who nows but maybe alot or maybe zero. When something like this happens you dont give pics and half the details. You should be giving all the details(Name). Next time dont ask a question if your not ready to give out all the details. You should've waited till Tuesday then.

This person hasn't even tried to sell the snakes to anyone else....THis person and MYSELF were going to make a trade for some animals. He hadn't even planned on selling these anyways. In the future you need to be AWARE of what you are saying about other people and trying to ruin their reputation before KNOWING THE WHOLE STORY!! Thank You!

We'll maybe he hasnt tried to sell it. But how do you now for sure? And it doesnt really matter. Ripping of one person is bad enough. Well we couldnt have known the facts as you didnt give use enough. Like I said above in matters like these you give all the details or non. Simple enough. And were not the ones trying to ruin his reputation. He's doing that all by himself. LOL I hope everything goes good for you on Tuesday. And we would still want his name.