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I saw one of these and i have a few questions. First how do you produce one and what strain of albino is it (Tremper, bell)?

Thankyou

Red
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LEOS: Boo: 1.0 normal , Bronx & Nala: 1.1 blizzard,
Lily: 0.1 patternless, Abby: 0.1 albino, Zoe: 0.1 reduced pattern, Dot: 0.1 hypo
Chip: 1.0 papillion (small dog)

1) The "easiest" way to get a PA, is to breed a Patternless to an Albino.

The babies will be double-het for patternless and albino (meaning that they look normal but have the genes for each of those traits inside them).

When you breed the double-hets back to each other, you have a 1/16 chance (per egg) of hatching out a PA.

2) Can be any line of Albino. Because there are more Tremper's out there then any other strain, I would say that odds are the PA you saw had Tremper line albinism in it.

Joel

PS: I suppose the real easiest way to get a PA is to buy one!
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Yes, PA to PA will give you PA's, as will PA to double-het PA (lower genetic odds, and will also give you normals that are hets, albinos, patternlesses etc...).

In my explanation I figured I'd start from "scratch" ... it slipped my mine to note that if someone has a PA or 2, then they could just breed those to get more. But I think the original poster was asking how to get them assuming they don't already have a few.

Thanks,
Joel
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1.1 Ball Pythons
0.1 Okeetee Corn Snake
1.0 Blair's Phase Gray Banded Kingsnake

patternless albinos are actually produced from the Rainwater line. Tremper patternless albinos are much more rare, but will be just as common if not more so, than the Rainwater line in a year or so.
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Kelli Hammack
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Very interesting.

I had no idea which was more common, I just assumed Tremper since I believe that's what most people who own albinos have. Guess I'm wrong.

I have a 6 month old Tremper and a 4 month old patternless who I am hopping to breed next season. I could get my own PA's 18 months from now.

Very exciting.

Joel
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0.1 Okeetee Corn Snake
1.0 Blair's Phase Gray Banded Kingsnake

As odd as it seems, the majority of the PA's out there are from the Las Vegas/Rainwater line. Tremper PA's are still quite rare, and to my current knowledge no one has been able to produce a PA using the Bell strain as of yet.

>>2) Can be any line of Albino. Because there are more Tremper's out there then any other strain, I would say that odds are the PA you saw had Tremper line albinism in it.
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>>Joel
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>>PS: I suppose the real easiest way to get a PA is to buy one!
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Justyn Miller
Intense Herpetoculture

Is there not some way to breed so that the hatchlings will end up with homozygous genes but for the recessive trait. For example, N is dominant normal. And n represents patternless. Could you not end up with a hatchling thats not het, but homozygous like this. nn instead of Nn. Ok, i think i just really confused myself. Anyway, if you can make sense of all that, is it possible? I only know very basic genetics so you dont have to get into a lesson or anything, just is it possible?

Yes, a patternless leopard gecko IS homozygous. NN would be homozygous wild type (normal), Nn would be heterozygous patternless, and nn would be homozygous patternless. In order for it to display the patternless trait it MUST be homozygous. This goes for all simple recessive traits.

Chad
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Ok then, if i'm understanding correctly, if you have two patternless albinos, both are homozygous for albino and patternless, wouldnt their offspring be 100 percent patternless albino? If all the alleles are homozygous recessive? I guess what i'm not understanding is why patternless albinos are so rare, well, rare enough to be priced at 400 dollars anyway.

Yes, patternless ablino x patternless albino = 100% patternless albino. They are expensive because they are double recessive and thus took more time to produce. The price should decline rather quickly as more PA x PA crosses are done this season but demand will still be there and the higher-end market will simply move towards tangerine patternless albinos. Almost all of the current Patternless Albinos available use the Rainwater albino line. The Tremper line is much more difficult to produce Patternless albinos with due to reasons that nobody is exactly sure of yet. There are however many theories, most involving incompatibilities between the two traits because they are located on the same gene resulting in the albino gene having to "crossover" in order for a patternless albino to be produced. I'm not sure if anyone has successfully produced Bell albino PA's yet but several are working on it.
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