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Is she a tang albino?

StinaUIUC Jan 09, 2004 12:42 PM

Ok...this pic is from yesterday...I realize she doesn't look great, she needs some beefing up. She's not a hatchling...but she's a lot smaller than the others I have (I really don't even know if it's a male or female...I just keep saying she for some reason...lol her name is Spitfire...because she is...lol). I got all that retained shed off of her today too (there wasn't any on her toes so I thought I'd see if she'd take care of it herself overnight). She's very active; she was scrambling around all night last night! Anyway, I'm just trying to figure out if she's a tang albino and if she looks like a tremper. I asked about this on my other post about her...but no one responded about her coloration so I'm asking again.

if you can't see it or don't want to wait...community.webshots.com/photo/109855490/109994960xSLdgp

Replies (9)

StinaUIUC Jan 09, 2004 12:44 PM

n/p

roi3in Jan 09, 2004 02:42 PM

she is a nice high yellow/orange.. and yes assuming she is healthy (i am assuming she is in quarenteen) .... you did good for $35 dollars
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-robin struck
Geckoheads And Geeks

StarGecko Jan 09, 2004 02:52 PM

If so, that will provide the answers to some of your questions. If it's from Petco, it's almost surely a Tremper. If it's from somewhere else, I suggest you call and ask and see if they know. As far as coloration goes, you can't tell with any reliability at that age how they will turn out when they are grown, it can change a great deal, though if you know their parentage it can give you a much more reliable guess. So I'd say she's definately an albino, Tremper if it's from petco, and wait and see on the color as she grows, if she survives. If I were you, I'd be more concerned about the tail and abdominal wrinkles in that animal (I have never seen those tail wrinkles unless an animal is sick, indicates recent weight loss, though it appears to be just starting in that one) and possible disease. I know you are working on getting the skin off. Be sure to provide plenty of fresh water, it may be dehydrated from the looks of it. Also make sure to have a bowl of calcium and vitamins, petstores often do not provide needed calcium to their baby geckos, and they often have the beginnings of MBD if they've been there awhile. Be aware that Petco is notorious for mistreating the animals in their care and selling diseased animals, including animals infected with coccidia and crypto. When the old animals die or are sold they don't even sterlize everything, so then the new animals get exposed even if they were previously healthy. From the looks of that gecko, no, it wouldn't be a good deal at any price. Hopefully it's just dehydrated from poor care or at least has something curable. I would get a fecal immediately (if it is sick, you should be able to get your vet care paid for by Petco if it is diagnosed with 15 days of purchase) and make sure you quarantine it in A SEPERATE ROOM, and don't handle your other animals after handling that one.

While it is possible to bring a sick animal into your home and not risk your other animals health, it requires very strict quarantine procedures and super-meticulous care (always feed the sick/new animals last), don't bathe sick animal in same sink as other geckos, quarantine is seperate room, and of course all the basics like don't play musical food, etc...Remember that just washing your hands after handling her may not kill or remove all infectious agents.

Of course there are people who have gotten animals that are not sick from Petco. But it is a big risk. Many people won't buy there for ethical reasons, because it supports and encourages this mistreatment of animals. If considering buying there anyway, I would automatically add a possible $100 and possible death of the animal when evaluating the price of any animal, or whatever it costs in your area for a vet visit and fecal and meds (around $100 here, it it's just worms). Of course some things are not curable, or will require multiple vet visits. If there are ANY signs of ill health, don't buy it. Remember that illness can lie hidden for months, and that a clean fecal (float to test for worms and smear to look for coccidia) does not mean that animal does not have crypto or a bacterial infection. I have also seen one person post on this forum that they got a clean fecal, but then did it again later and it turned up hookworms and something else...maybe coccidia.

I hope your new gecko is healthy and everything works out for you. It's just that I've seen so many horror stories of huge expenses, heartbreak, etc... from diseased chain petstore animals. I tell you the above as I know you have other geckos and it is important that you protect them from a known danger. Also, if it's from Petco you can ask who their contracted vet is and take it there for the fecal, that way if the fecal turns up anything you can may be able to get them to cover even the initial visit as well as subsequent care.

As for deals, I think it's a much better deal to pay $60 for a normal, healthy well-cared for juvvy from a responsible breeder or reputable herp-specializing independent petstore than $20 for a possibly diseased and likely not very well taken care of morph from a chainstore. Of course some people like to gamble, in that case just be sure to manage your post-purchase risk as best you can, especially the risk of getting your entire collection wiped out.

Good luck with your new gecko. Use quarantine. Be careful.
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Sarah Stettler aka Starling
Sarah@stargecko.com
StarGecko.Com COMING SOON! Star Quality Leopard Geckos
Specializing in Hypotangerine Tremper Albinos

StinaUIUC Jan 09, 2004 03:00 PM

I didn't get her from Petco...I got her from PetSmart...which I know isn't much better...I wouldn't have gotten her except that all of their reptiles looked healthy to me. They'd just gotten the baby leos in the previous day. The even had an adult leo they'd had since he was a baby, and he looked great! Anyway, she is quarantined and all.

Rob Jenkins Jan 09, 2004 04:05 PM
StarGecko Jan 09, 2004 06:52 PM

If they have any stuck skin from a shed, to soften and loosen before removing it, and also if they are dirty (stepped in poopie or something)
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Sarah Stettler aka Starling
Sarah@stargecko.com
StarGecko.Com COMING SOON! Star Quality Leopard Geckos
Specializing in Hypotangerine Tremper Albinos

gex53 Jan 09, 2004 04:12 PM

n/p

AgentOfLillith Jan 09, 2004 04:18 PM

n/p

xelda Jan 10, 2004 12:05 AM

$35 is an okay price. It's like full retail, but not an inflated department store value. You can find baby albinos (normal-patterned) for $15 at reptile shows, or $20-$25 whenever Petco has a sale.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed, but her tail does look somewhat unhealthy. Given that she came from Petsmart and the fact that her body is full but she's still not able to store much fat reserves leads me to suspect that she might be carrying parasites. The other leos at the store may look healthy, but they're all probably carrying something--it's just that symptoms are going to be more apparent in her because she's so small. Even if she puts on weight without any problems, I would still be careful about quarantining and get a fecal test done. She'll probably be fine, but you'll want to treat her for any parasites so she can grow more quickly.

4 geckos in two weeks sounds like a lot, especially if they all came from different sources. You need to be quarantining them individually (unless they're already housed together). I'm guilty of impulse leo-shopping, too, but I was overwhelmed when I got just two new leos in the same week. I had to quarantine the new ones from my current animals, but then I also had to quarantine the quarantined from each other. It got kinda crazy, but it all paid off because it turned out that even my healthy-looking leos were carrying different parasites.

One more thing.. about the shedding, once they're done with the shedding process, they usually won't try to get off the little fragments. It's like a one-step process for them. If they drop a piece of skin on the ground, they're not going to eat it unless it's still attached to the big chunk they're peeling off.
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chickabowwow

3.2.3 leopard geckos (Rosie, Locke, Lisa, Caesar, Tommy)

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