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ok when i first got my first corns. i knew i got an amel and a corn that was either a normal or typical (what ever you prefer) or a possible okeetee. well i posted it and everyone said it was a normal. well i just got my crnsnake manual last weekend, and read it cover to cover. In there it showed a picture of a hatchling okeetee, and a bottom pic of an okeetee. the bottom was checkered unlike the normal it was compared to.

My question is, is the checkered bottom and characteristic of okeetee and not a typical corn.

When i can find my step-dads digital camera im gonna try and get a better pic of this snake cause there is orange comming with red saddles with black lines around them.

Im not trying to prove anyone wrong i just kinda wanted an okeetee phase.

thanx
Rv
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0.0.1 03'Amel (1st)
0.0.1 03'Normal (2nd)
to be add in january (pos.)

what ever kind a corn catches my eye at the show

I don't remember your picture, but I can tell you this. In my opinion oketee hatchlings are ugly little buggers, but they morph into what I think is the most beautiful corn there is. Hang in there. Again this only my opinion.
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1,0 snow
1,0 amel

1,0 aney stripe motley
0,1 normal
0,1 anery
0,1 motley
1,1 oketee
1,1 tx rat
4,4 ball python
1,1 dumerils boa
1,0 columbian red tail boa
1,1 green iguana
1,0 leopard gecko
1,3 dogs
freezer full of mice & rats

here is the bottom if i posted the right pic

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0.0.1 03'Amel (1st)
0.0.1 03'Normal (2nd)
to be add in january (pos.)

what ever kind a corn catches my eye at the show

i know this is a bad pic it just doesent show the orange on the little dude

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0.0.1 03'Amel (1st)
0.0.1 03'Normal (2nd)
to be add in january (pos.)

what ever kind a corn catches my eye at the show

It's pretty hard to tell if something's going to have an okeetee appearance until it reaches adulthood. Oh, sure, you can remove the easy 'no's, but unless the snake came from okeetee parents, there's no easy way to say for sure one way or another.

That having been said, I doubt your normal is going to be a full okeetee, based on the faded belly checks. But, I could very well be wrong... Show us pics when he gets close to adulthood, and a better determination can be made.

-Kat
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"You keep WHAT in your freezer?"
"Mice. And rats. If that bothers you, I can call them 'cows' instead."

I havn't taken pics of my oketees yet. They are hatchling's from Don Soderburg. I'll get some pics on here monday and we'll compare. Keep a look out.
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1,0 snow
1,0 amel

1,0 aney stripe motley
0,1 normal
0,1 anery
0,1 motley
1,1 oketee
1,1 tx rat
4,4 ball python
1,1 dumerils boa
1,0 columbian red tail boa
1,1 green iguana
1,0 leopard gecko
1,3 dogs
freezer full of mice & rats

ok thanx both of you

ill definatly keep posting pic as something gets older

and please do post those pic when you get a chance
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0.0.1 03'Amel (1st)
0.0.1 03'Normal (2nd)
to be add in january (pos.)

what ever kind a corn catches my eye at the show

Keep in mind that 'okeetee' can refer to either the appearance (okeetee phase) OR the locality (being Okeetee Hunt Club in S.Carolina).

Most people refer to a corn as okeetee as a 'phase' when the snake displays certain traits such as thick, black borders and deep red saddles with an orange background and little or no white flecks around each border. However a corn from the okeetee area does NOT necessarily always display these traits. In fact, some corns from the okeetee area are very plain and not too colorful. I would imagine that nature selects against a bright orange/red okeetee phase cornsnake in the wild as it would stand out more and get picked off by birds or other predators.

Corns are usually referred to as normal when the origin of the corn is unknown OR when it has been crossed with other morphs, producing babies with a mixed or unknown genetic background.

I have seen both ends of the spectrum...normal corns that look gorgeous and possess a beautiful 'okeetee' phase appearance and true 'okeetee' locale corns that are just plain ugly.

Also, as someone else mentioned, it is difficult to look at any normal or okeetee hatchling and predict how pretty or ugly it will turn out as an adult UNLESS you see both parents of the hatchling. The parents of okeetee/normal hatchlings usually provide a clear picture to that babies potential appearance when it reaches adulthood. This doesn't always apply with other corn snake morphs, but is consistant with the wild types (okeetee, normal, miami phases).

Now for some PICS...
1st few are my favorite female okeetee from Rick's Exotic Pets.
I cut/pasted this 1st pic from his site to show how they can change drastically in a short period of time and it just gets better and better with each shed.

This is an old pic of my 02 male okeetee. Its head pattern is fading and it does not display as much black as I'd like but its a good snake. Also, there are typical lateral dark lines starting to appear that many breeders have worked to select against. You can even see some white flecks around the borders.

Finally, here is a bleepityCo 03 male okee....way to early to say how he'll turn out but I am confident I won't be disappointed since all of my other corns from rich are spectacular.

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In my opinion, your snakes belly resembles the 'typical' belly in Kathy's book. BUT! Bellies are a hard way to dissern "okeetee phase" because Okeetee means different things apparently. To some people, Okeetee is strictly red blotches on an orange ground color with thick black borders. But to others, it is a locality name for those decended from the Okeetee Hunt Club area.

I had an Okeetee male and his belly was a lot like your baby's, but he was an Okeetee, not just a 'normal'. But it's so hard to tell, an Okeetee IS a normal, but so are Miami and Kisatche. So to be on the safe side, I call my hatchlings normals. They'll have the Okeetee coloring, but only half their blood is decended from Okeetee area snakes, and none of them, (not even their dad) have THICK black borders, they have the black borders, but not magic marker thick like some of the Okeetees I've seen on here.

Stick with calling your baby normal I guess, until you see it's true colors

Here's one of my snow x okeetee baby's

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