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although not all of them are this extreme. most do stand out in a croud.LOL.

That first one isn't that the one that never made it? Have you produced anymore that looks like it? or could it be just a freak of nature like we see in other breeding? You say that you have two phases Harlequins I don't see any phase, I see hypos. I remember last year when Dave and Tracy Barker came on the forum and even said that it don't have the same careerists as a Harlequin (Glossy slate-blue plumage enlivened by white stripes and spots) "hypo gene alters the patterns" and that your animals you are calling a Harlequins couldn't even past the brown bag test. Now if you really did have something going on why did you breed the hypo gene into the animal without even proving the so called Harlequin gene out? Have you even produce another animal like the one in the first photo? and if so could you post it? It would have been nice to see another mutation out there. But before I would even think of spending over 2k on an animal it better be proven. I'm not trying to bash you, these are ?s I would like to know
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and you seem to be one of them. but thats OK John. i'm not bashing you or any thing. salmon and orangetail hypos are only two things that have been breed to our Harlequin line. for your info there has been f1 harlequins bred to f1 harlequins which is where the harlequin line started, as well as an f2 harlequin bred to an f2 harlequin. taking the harlequin line to the third generation. NO other influence at all. it is proven john. maybe not to you. but thats ok John. by the way john those three pics are all of the same animal and she is alive here at my home and she's not a salmon or an orangetail shes a harlequin. here are some pics of an F3


oh and here is what a harlequin het for sharp strain albino looks like. thanks for all your questions john. have a great new year. good luck with all your breedings. say hi to doug for me.

Those are some AWESOME pics! Keep'em comin'
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Sorry Brendan, But I still don't see it. What am I looking for? What careerists does it have? I'm asking these ?s because theirs so many different stories about them. I hear that you and Tim were saying that they were a pastel, but they look far from it too me. Oh and i can't say Hi to Doug for you I haven't talked to that S.O.B since Daytona and really don't care too.

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http://www.bcibydesign.com/harlequin.htm

This might help.
After following this line for a while I will describe what I think they are. And, R & B can correct me if I am wrong.

Initially I thought of their animals as pastels. I own some and thought they were similar to what makes a "Pastel". But, it seems that what is setting their animals apart from pastels is the fact that their animals have expressed certain characteristics without having to "line breed" their animals over a certain amount of time.

Having been a lover of Ronne Pastels for quite some time......There is a difference between their animals and Ronne's. I own/have owned a fair amount of Ronne Pastels. (I love them, and they are one of my favorite animals to keep.) The Harli's just have a different look to them. They also express different traits that Pastels generally do.

Ronne's definition of a Pastel is an animal with a reduction of black. But, I am sure Ronne still has more to say about his animals.

R & B's definition of a Harli is a animals that expresses a good amount of color, reduction of black, and usually abberancy.
(Again, correct me if I am wrong.)

In closing, I would love to own a couple of their hypos. They really are just amazing! I think that the Harli gene makes some of the best hypos out there. Hands down.
John

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That's what I was asking, but everyone's always ready to jump the gun. I'm the type of person that's not going to beat around the bush when I ask a question and I'm not going to try too put sugar on it, To the point that is all. So is this animal acting as a CO Dom gene? or Dom gene?

Thanks for your input John. If I was told that from the start this would have never have gotten out of hand as it did.
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It would be my guess that the gene acts in a dominant way. Whenever I have seen babies on here from their breedings.........They all seem to express these traits. Which, to me, seems to be a dominant characteristic trait. But, again, these aren't my animals. Just my stab at guessing.

Allow me to digress a little here. I don't know what your relationships are around here. Or, who you know or don't. But, how you treat or express yourself around here will at times determine how your questions are answered. You may call it games/sugar coating......I call it being respectful. There are a lot of friends here who have talked with one another for quite some time. Upsetting one will generally upset others. Like our little posting experiece last year. And, due to that.......I still have a pretty negative feeling tword you. I know we don't know each other personally. So, all I have to go off about who you are is how you act here. I guess all I am saying is this. When you are posting here.......Bluntness doesn't work too well. It is generally best to try and be respectful when asking and posting here. And, just so it is said. I have had my bad days here as well. I am not better than anyone else. I have been a jerk at times. And, when I am.......I know it is time for a break from this place. To me, this is suppose to be a fun place. I want to talk with friends, see their animals, and help when I can. It's a new year and I really don't like holding grudges. So, hopefully things will be better between us.
Alright, I'm off my soap box.
John
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in your post you were making accusations more than asking questions. and last year you were attacking tim and i right along with doug. and you can't tell me that you haven't been to my site or on this forum and read our posts about the harlequins. we even talked about it in daytona. it seemed more like you were trying to discredit us and the harlequin project. tim nor i have ever said or done anything to you or doug that would give you any reason to attack us the way that both of you did. we got along good in daytona you, doug and i.
if you read my reply to you post i say it was proven. and to answer you new question it appears to be dominate rather than codominate but we are being cautiously optimistic
i'm not asking you to buy our animals, and truth is in less than 2 hours off of one add i sold two pair. so someone has been listening. thanks joe and adam.
i have no hard feelings john but if you really were trying to ask some questions then you could have emailed or called like you did today. at this point thats all i have to say.
many thanks Brendan

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Do some homework bro, and quit riding coat tails. Buy a harlequin, and make the descision for yourself. If they are so normal to you, then please explain why so many BIG breeders now own stock and futures in the Harlequin trade!
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>>Do some homework bro, and quit riding coat tails. Buy a harlequin, and make the descision for yourself. If they are so normal to you, then please explain why so many BIG breeders now own stock and futures in the Harlequin trade!
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Riding who's coat tale? Where did that come from? and I'm far from a Matuszak fan. Doug don't have anything to do with this So lets not bring people into this topic don't have anything Todd with it. I'm asking what makes it a damn Harlequin.
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I remember Dave's post very well,do you remember my reply? I was never really sure what prompted Dave to suddenly speak out about a line of animals that he's never worked with,and,never asked me about,(since I know the Barkers personally,I'd have been more than happy to answer any questions they had about them? and,I think I've seen Dave post here all of maybe 5 times in the last seven years I've been involved with the Boa Forum???)anyone that has spent any time on this Forum probably has enough info on Harlequin boas to write a small book about them!*lol* I've only been talking about them,and,posting pictures of our results non-stop,for the past 7 years!...I'm also not really sure what prompted you to post informatively about them either,and,some of your questions sound more like "statements" as opposed to valid questions? would you mind running the criteria for that "brown bag test" by me again? if our animals need to pass it to suddenly become legitimate in your eyes,I'll get to work on it right away.I'm more than happy to attempt to answer any questions that may arise concerning this project,(providing I can UNDERSTAND the question!*lol*)and,I'm quite capable of carrying on an intelligent discussion,or,debate regarding the validity of the genetics involved,if these boas were just some sort of "high colored normals",I would've abandoned the project long ago,my motives go way beyond just trying to make a buck,but,I found it very interesting to note that within 12 hours of Brendans post on the classifieds,the animals were sold,so it would appear that some people have been paying attention...none of the animals we've produced from this line have "plumage",so I'm not sure how they compare to birds,I'm admittedly at a loss to address that issue????....next question?

Man I just love those Harli's. I would love to get those ones you are selling in the classifieds. The "boss" would never go for it though. LOL! I'll admire from a far. Keep those pics coming.
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I would love to get one when do you think you might have some more for sale.Look at that boa you have pictured you can tell that that is the same boa and for the person that tells you that he or she thinks that boa is dead or not a real line needs too look at your website and read about them.As far as what VIP says it not ther line and not ever Harlequin is 2K.

Great work you two have been doing with the harlequin line .
I feel fortunate to live so close by & to have seen so many of them and watch some mature . I can't wait to breed them to sunglows . AND just about everything else

>>Great work you two have been doing with the harlequin line .
>>I feel fortunate to live so close by & to have seen so many of them and watch some mature . I can't wait to breed them to sunglows . AND just about everything else
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Here is a so so picture of my male 2002 non hypo Harlequin. He is really pulling some great color which is very hard to truly capture. He is the product of an F2 Harlequin by nice looking normal. I met Brendan this morning and got an 03 male non hypo Harlequin, traded a female 02 he wanted back so I got a great looking little guy. He is blue now, but once he sheds, I'll try to do justice to him! lol Enjoy

That I don't have enough!!!! LOL

I think there is a lot to be understood about some of these traits that may not be as appearant as say an Albino which is recessive or a Motley which is showing dominant. I don't know for sure exactly how they are working and I know there is a lot of time. All I do know is that they are incredible animals in color,and they have some incredible sharp patterns. I can say for sure they definatley do stand out as compared to your typical normal in a HUGE WAY!!!!! I think they are similar to pastels as I do own both the Ronne pastel and the Harlequin, but I prefer the Harlequin just on an f1 level. However, My opinons can differ from others and this is no way attempting to diss the ronne line becuase I love those too. I'm just saying that There is Something VERY special going on with the Harlequin line, and soo many are soo quick to jump on exactly the "HOW" instead of looking at all the different looks they make and be patient for the future. We know they are different enough to give them their OWN line name, and that the bloodline is DEFINATLEY appearant. They will be making SOO many of the morphs I am working with better. That is all I can say. Sorry Tim, if I said anything that isn't true. Tim McGee (rainshadow) can explain the genes much better then I can, and I can say that however he explains them, I DO BELIEVE!!!!!!!! I'll have to post some pics of the Harlys I got from Tim. They are TRULY incredible, and I think they are very special. I wonder how many other bloodlines of boas are out there similar to the Harly that we have yet to experience? I'm sure there are a few. I'm working with one I think is awesome that I am calling Carmel (NOT T POSSITIVE). They came from Boawoman. They are also special, and I hope to prove something this year. Happy New year to everyone, and I hope there are many awesome boas in the year 2004. Best of luck to everyone. Jeremy Stone

Ohh, by the way, I think the forum could be a little more professional by not doing some name calling of people you may disagree with. I know I am a Geek, but lets keep that from the forum. lol Take Care guys!!!!!!

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Edited on January 11, 2004 at 20:56:31 by phwyvern.

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reading your warnings (dam you Mr. Stone....lol). Whats going to happen? Is my computer going to crash?

Im being serious here, I didnt read the others warning not to touch it, and I hit it thinking maybe Jeremy had finally updated a web page or something. What should I do

Mickey Hinkle
The Lizard King Reptiles

i clicked on link thingking pics orsomething, link to his site.
Had no idea i was being booby trapped.

so whats up?

Hello Folks,

This is a nasty bug that is spreading on our boards because folks have unknowingly clicked on it. If you run your cursor over the link and look at the bottom of the page, you will see the address. If it looks like a porn site or has a "bleep" in it, assume it is one of those and DON'T click on it.

From what I am understanding it is more like a spyware type thing and it puts a bug into your system and when you post on the message boards, it tags your post with a porn link. We first started noticing it last week when usually good members were suddenly posting porn links. We knew something wasn't right. Our suggestion is to download anti-spyware software such as adaware http://www.lavasoftusa.com/. Also make sure you have antivirus sotware and that it is upto date. A good free antivirus progem is AVG http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php.

There is some discussion about it at http://www.computing.net/security/wwwboard/forum/8346.html.

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