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Flagellated protozoans and amoeba increase

CheriS Jan 10, 2004 08:08 AM

We have noticed on medical forums and from owners that there is an increase in flagellated protozoans and amoeba lately, including in closed colonies that just a few months ago had tested clear.

I contacted Mr Kennedy at the Department of Agriculture and he states that due to the heavy rainfalls in the east and midwest this fall, they are seeing more of this right now in many animals. They suspect that vegetables grown in areas near cattle lands from rain run offs are being exposed to them and possibly water in some areas. The unusal warm fall is contributing to the problem.

Make sure you are washing vegetable and greens well when you bring them home from the stores and storing in refrigerators at least overnight prior to cutting and feeding to your animals or family. Taking a top thin layer off vegetables such as squash, sweet potatoes and other skinned ones will help or using a veggie brush. This also includes whatever you are feeding to your feeder insects also. Boiled water prior to filling a water dish for animals or drinking is advised.

Veggies and greens can be washed with a mild soapy solution and rinsed well.

Most animals should be able to deal with any they do consume themselves, but animals that are stressed, young (not developed immune system yet) or otherwise have low immune systems may start showing symptoms that compromise their health and need treated. VERY important to keep their enclosures clean and not use a substrate that can harbor parasites or bacteria.

Symptoms are runny, watery or loose poo that may or may not smell, the animal can be lethargic and not eating well, wanting to hid and sleep. With bearded dragons we are hearing of times with green poo that is not the norm, but it may return to normal as the animal's system copes with the problem.

Should anyone run into problems and have to treat, here is a good information source on the medication most often used.
Flagyl

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Replies (5)

grimdog Jan 10, 2004 08:13 AM

Just a quick note on flagyl. It is very nice to treat these outbreaks. As an added benefit it does not seem to kill off gut flora at all. So no worries like with albon.
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DeKeAff Exotics
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B22 Jan 10, 2004 02:38 PM

Hi
i lost a dragon because i gave flagyl so its not so save as you saying.
my beardie got after flagyl constipated and then i noticed it to tale and gave him 3 days flagyl.
so the dosis whas 4 times in his body.
he got epilepctical seuzires and his head got on tilt and he she died after vew days !!
i been to a vet and when i open box at the vet she died i whas messed up for several weeks her name whas kwazimodo.
so becareful with it .
most of time a beardie can deal with those protozoans if his imume system is healthy ,if he dealing with worms like i also got then the protozoans have more efect on the beardies health.
read this good before using flagyl the efect when you overdose !!!
http://www.icomm.ca/~dragon/parasite.htm#flagyl
byeeeeee
http://run.to/b22

CheriS Jan 10, 2004 02:41 PM

should not keep people from using them for their intended purposes and amoumts.
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grimdog Jan 10, 2004 06:25 PM

I agree with both off you too much is dangerous. My point was 100mg/kg given twice about a week apart (what I have seen recomended) does not cause a sterile gut. Treatment with albon causes a sterile gut and is rough on the dragon. Flagyl when used properly does not cause this, which is nice. Same goes for panacur. Much easier on the beardie than albon when used as suggested.
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Derek Affonce
DeKeAff Exotics
dekeaffexotics.com

CheriS Jan 11, 2004 02:55 AM

meds that is used on bearded dragons routinely, only thing I can think worse is the antifungal meds that have to be used on internal fungus infections... that is really harsh on their liver and kidneys. BUt if you have to use it, there are things to do that help bring them through it.

OH, and Ivermectin too, simply because the amounts are almost impossible to get right and it has knocked dragons out for days!
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