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Hi everyone! I just put up an online survey on sharp or kahl strain albinos so go take the survey and see what the survey says!
ONLINE ALBINO SURVEY

Heres the pic just shed.

... can be bred before those names expire?

In other words a breeder is selling albino boas.. They are the great grandkids of either a Sharp or Kahl amelanistic snake that was bred to an unrelated normal with the traits the new owner was looking for. Are these then not 'Jones or Smith' albinos? is there a real reason to continue to call your boas by someone else's name? Or is it a promotional thing.

Is it that the strains are genetically incompatible? if that is so then het-kahl to het-sharp breedings will produce a range of het, dbl het and normals.. and what do we call any albinos that come eventually from those?

I can see that most of the Sharp animals (great name for a product of any kind!) have a somewhat better pattern and color, at least up to now but won't that difference become less and eventually go away as the new owners pick mates and continue the evolution of the lines?

On your survey.. it would have been more educational (for me at least) if you allowed people to comment on what exactly they like about any albino in addition to just the name of the line.. I believe that up to this point many morphs are sold simply by name, including albino, but we are finding out that more selective breeding is needed to produce exceptional examples of the different morphs, soon it will not be enough to simply say 'these are XYZ' they will have to be top-notch as well.

Thanks for reading my thoughts on this, any help is appreciated..

Gus

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I think the main reason to use the names is to tell the difference of the two types of albinos. Since they are not compatable we need to know somehow otherwise people could be buying animals that are not going to reproduce.
I suppose "type 1" and type 2" would work too. I do agree about the "Sharp" name. It does explain it pretty well.
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Brian Oakley
Phoenix, Arizona
BrianOakley@cox.net

WHAT YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY THE TWO BLOODLINES ARE NOT COMPATABLE. DO YOU MEAN THAT THEY CAN NOT REPRODUCE WHEN BRED TOGATHER? I KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT ALBINO BOAS AND HAD NO IDEA THERE WERE PROBLEMS LIKE THIS. I HAVE SEEN THE ONE EYED ANIMALS AND THE TOTALLY BLIND ANIMALS, BUT THIS IS NEW TO ME. PLEASE FORGIVE MY IGNORANCE.

THANKS, BILL

You can breed the two, and produce viable offspring, however they would be double het albinos with NO ALBINOS in the first breeding. However if you breed the offspring back to each other, you woud get both kahl and sharp albinos.If you bred one back to one parent say the sharp you would get sharps poss het kahl albino, het sharps poss het kahl albinos.

Mickey Hinkle
The Lizard King Reptiles

I can understand the part about the 2 types of albanism being different, and not compatible with eachother...I understand the heterozygous thing...and that if a sharp and kahl were bred together, the het offspring would then have to be bred together....What im unsure of is the result of that breeding...Wouldnt you end up with sharp albinos het for kahl, kahl albinos het for sharp, "normals" het for one or both, AND *super mega sharp-kahl double dipper* albinos?

Ok, once you have bred the albino to albino, you have double het sharp/kahl albinos.

Now if you breed the babies together, you WOULD get kahl albinos poss het sharp, sharp albinos poss het kahl, and in theory I would guess (*I could be wrong here) you would get double dip albinos (kahl and sharp) showing on the same animal.

Ive had this discussion with a few breeders, and it always gets very confusing at this point. From what I have been told, it has been done to the double het stage (years ago) but Im not sure if the breedings were taken any further.

Honestly few people will or have tried the pairing, as it really doesnt make much scence. Everyone is working in different directions with the two strains. If you have a litter of double dipped albinos, you MAY have a hard time knowing whats what (allthough I would assume you could pick the sharps from kahls). And with the two no compatible strains its very important to know what strain your animal carries for future breedings.

Hopefully this helped explain it a bit more (and Im not too off on any facts)

Mickey Hinkle
The Lizard King Reptiles

to find out what a super mega double dip albino would look like!?!? I know i would lol. I'm unsure of the type of ablanism displayed by the 2...(t ?, t- ?) But i would think that the animals displaying BOTH types would be fairly easy to distinguish from the others, no?

n/m

The name of the bloodline should never change. There's already enough problems with new creative names. We should set a standard and maintain it. if for no other reason, to avoid confusion. Just look at all the BS that goes on with Balls!!! New creative names for the same product cause confusion and can lead to misrepresentation, intentional or accidental.
Just my opinion. To me, it's a matter of honestly representing your stock.

The bloodline distinction does not have an "expiration date",nor reach a point,especially with these two forms of albinism,where it needs to be redefined. You can add all the other traits/mutations you want to,the common denominator always remains the same throughout the formula.both strains will continue to evolve through captive reproduction,if combined,theoretically you simply have animals carrying genes for both forms of the same trait,which is"T neg.amelanism".