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Iguanaboy8705...

Solaris16 Jan 11, 2004 04:37 PM

Okay Nick, you came here looking for advice, and you're obviously not getting the help you need (with the exception of a few posters like Mike). So, I will do my best.

Now, this post may seem a little direct, but I’m trying to help you, so don’t go off and flame me or something like that.

Your iguanas are SICK, especially Espio. They are malnourished, dehydrated, and look as though they are developing metabolic bone disease. They WILL die if you don’t make drastic changes in your husbandry.

I know you’re getting people like SkyLineGTR posting a lot of “I told you so” crap. This is NON CONSTRUCTIVE guys!!! If you’re not going to try and help this kid, stop wasting everyone’s time. And Nick, don’t post back to them, it only fuels their narcissistic little fire.

Please, listen to what I say, and do it. You need to make changes and you need to make them now. You need to be very careful who you accept information from on the internet, for example, SkyLineGTR looks like he needs a little bit of help of his own.

The first thing you need to do is separate the two iguanas. Although they may appear to get along, I highly doubt it’s a healthy environment for them to be in. They will be stressed out by being together. If I were in your situation, I’d put them in totally different rooms where they can’t even see each other to minimize stress as much as possible. Building two separate cages will be expensive, but has to be done. The MINIMUM dimensions are 6ft x 3ft x 6ft. Bigger is better.

Next, diet! Go to a grocery store. Buy as many of these as you can: Collard greens, dandelion greens, mustard greens, turnip greens, butternut squash, buttercup squash, kabocha squash, acorn squash, snow peas, sweet potato, green beans, and bell peppers. This is NOT a complete list, just a few suggestions. Wash everything, and cut them into very small pieces. Feed as many greens as you can, your iguanas need calcium. Let them eat as much as they can. Make sure there is a lot of water on the food, as your babies are dehydrated as well. Offer them food several times a day to maximize the likelihood of them eating. Variety is key, research and find what are acceptable foods and provide as many of the best foods as possible at all times. NO ANIMAL PROTEIN.

Lighting and heating is EXTREMLY important. If your iguanas do not have an overall temperature of 85ºF, they aren’t warm enough to complete essential bodily functions (such as digestion) properly. They need to have a basking spot of around 93ºF in addition to the rest of the cage so that they can thermo regulate themselves. Not just any light will do. They need to have a UVB light (such as a PowerSun, T-Rex, Zoomed, etc) that is made for iguanas. Stay away from things that say “full spectrum”, or ones that don’t say “UVB”. Vitalites suck, don’t get one of those. Without one of these lights, your iguanas will not be able to process any of the calcium from their meals, and their MBD will continue to progress. You can buy heat lights and UVB lights in one (like a PowerSun) but this will not be enough heat. Buy a ceramic heating element to get your temperatures up. Make sure you set these up in such a way that the iguana cannot burn themselves.

They need to be kept HUMID. Mist them very frequently, or add a humidifier to each of their cages, bath them every day, let them play in your shower while it is running. Iguanas are TROPICAL animals, and low humidity will take a toll on their bodies. Try to keep each cage at 60-80% at all times. Provide a water dish in each cage.

Take them both to a vet, but not just any vet. Do your research, contact a nearby reptile association and find the name of a REPUTABLE and certified exotic vet that has experience and training in treating iguanas. The vet will be able to give you lots of advice on how to try and turn your iguanas around and make them healthy.

Keeping two iguanas healthy and happy takes a LOT of money and time. Especially to get them set up. I recommend adopting one of the two out so that you can put all your time, money, and effort into turning one of your iguanas into a happy, and healthy animal.

Here is a list of sites that you NEED to read and understand:

www.greenigsociety.org
www.geocities.com/ig_chick/igdex.html (look at the diet information)
www.myiguana.com

Buy “Iguanas for Dummies” by Melissa Kaplan (although some of her information is questionable, the majority of that book will help you), as well as “The Ultimate Owner’s Manual” by James W. Hatfield III (this is an excellent book that will teach you a great deal).

If you think this is too much time, or that it’s too expensive, do what is best for those animals who are completely at your mercy and give them to someone who can dedicate themselves to the iguanas. But, if you’re willing and mature enough to do everything in your power to make them as healthy and happy as possible, by all means do so and continue coming to this forum to ask questions. Don't be afraid to ask your parents for help, once they see that you're honestly trying to do this right, they will help you. Do as much research as you possibly can. I researched for two years before getting my iguana, and I still research all the time, and learn new things.

Again, I can’t stress enough how much bad information is given over the Internet, on this forum and in websites. Chances are, if you only read something once on one website that doesn’t really coincide with anything else you’ve heard, it’s wrong. Read, read, READ! There is a LOT to iguanas, and you have to take on the responsibility of learning it.

If you don’t want to post on this forum because of people and their ridiculous little power struggles, feel free to email me privately and I will try my best to help you as much as I can.

This post was a very small, general overview of iguana care, but I hope it will be enough to help you off your feet.

Please, I beg of you, read those websites, learn as much as you can, and get back to me.

Wendy
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"It's not a matter of IF...but WHEN" ~Bill Haast~

"Joy unspeakable...to be holding death in your hands..."

Replies (11)

SkylineGTR Jan 11, 2004 05:12 PM

Whatever man, I told him EXACT same thing you did on AIM, but he flamed me for trying to help him!!!!
So please, dont assume my "crap" is not constructive, because I said exact thing you did.

mike d Jan 11, 2004 05:42 PM

just as Solaris16 said iguanaboy8705 you can email me or catch me on aim at zombie2979 and i will try and help you as much as i can. just make sure you put iguana or something to that nature in the title(if using email) so i do not delete it. also if you could please post stuff about your setup and what you are feeding them, temps humidity.

if you do not have a good thermometer go to walmart home depot or a place of that nature and pick up a digital one. the one i have does teh temp and humidity and it cost me at the most 15 bux. it is by far the best 15 bux i have spent on my iguana to this day.

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1.0.0 adopted iguana
0.0.1 rescued petco iguana
1.0.0 water dragon
0.0.1 mali uromastyx
0.1.0 painted turtle
0.0.1 common snapping turtle

then the ussual
2 dogs
6 cats
misc fish
hermit crabs
rat
misc. fish

My Email

ITS NOT ABOUT YOU DIEING FOR YOUR COUNTRY, ITS ABOUT MAKING YOUR ENEMY DIE FOR HIS.

HAPPINESS IS LIKE PEEING ON YOURSELF, EVERYONE CAN SEE IT BUT ONLY YOU CAN FEEL THE WARMTH

mike d Jan 11, 2004 07:15 PM

also try giving Both of your iggs a nice soak everyday. do not bring the water above around the middle of their body and do not put anything in the water. soak them for about 30 min a day. change the water as much as nesesary to keep it warm. the soaking will do two things one it will allow them to drink and get rehydrated. two it will just help keep them a little cleaner. if your igg will not drink this way try misting him do not direct it directly at his face but more above him so it comes down as a fine mist.

And feed them as much as possible. you cannot over feed a young iguana. use the greens that Solaris suggested. also my big male loves bananas, grapes and just about anything with color. do not use a ton of fruits though you can also use carrots and some squash. try using color to get him to eat.

also put places to hide int eh cage these can be made out of just about anything that you can think of over turned clay pots, i have used legos before, old fake plastic plants, the half logs you can buy in the pet store. wash everything real good before using them in the cage.

im sure i will think of some more stuff. sorry if some of this is repeated but im trying to help.

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1.0.0 adopted iguana
0.0.1 rescued petco iguana
1.0.0 water dragon
0.0.1 mali uromastyx
0.1.0 painted turtle
0.0.1 common snapping turtle

then the ussual
2 dogs
6 cats
misc fish
hermit crabs
rat
misc. fish

My Email

ITS NOT ABOUT YOU DIEING FOR YOUR COUNTRY, ITS ABOUT MAKING YOUR ENEMY DIE FOR HIS.

HAPPINESS IS LIKE PEEING ON YOURSELF, EVERYONE CAN SEE IT BUT ONLY YOU CAN FEEL THE WARMTH

mmellott Jan 11, 2004 07:34 PM

hello all, now this person im'd me the other night, asking questions, insisting he was doing everything right and got extremely defensive when i told him what he was doing wrong and how to correct it. Now, as i understand it, he is only a child, therefore, he needs constructive help not yelling at him, that's not going to help, he's not going to listen to someone yelling and telling him he's basically an idiot.

Solaris16, I told him the same things you and many other people have told him, nobody that i have seen except a handful of the usual mouths have said anything different. I understand you are trying to help him out, but it is pretty much useless if the boy absolutely refuses to listen to anything anyone says. I hate to say it but I do not foresee these babies surviving if he keeps ignoring what people are trying to help him with.

mike d Jan 11, 2004 07:36 PM

what is him screen name. i will try and help him out. i just dont want to see this igg die.

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1.0.0 adopted iguana
0.0.1 rescued petco iguana
1.0.0 water dragon
0.0.1 mali uromastyx
0.1.0 painted turtle
0.0.1 common snapping turtle

then the ussual
2 dogs
6 cats
misc fish
hermit crabs
rat
misc. fish

My Email

ITS NOT ABOUT YOU DIEING FOR YOUR COUNTRY, ITS ABOUT MAKING YOUR ENEMY DIE FOR HIS.

HAPPINESS IS LIKE PEEING ON YOURSELF, EVERYONE CAN SEE IT BUT ONLY YOU CAN FEEL THE WARMTH

mmellott Jan 11, 2004 07:49 PM

snowbordr8705 OR Iguanaboy8705 on aol, can't remember which one i used, he gave me both...i'd try the second one first...forwarn ya though, treat lightly, he gets upset extremely easy....good luck...let us know how it goes for ya...

mike d Jan 11, 2004 08:41 PM

well i talked to him. he seems like a nice kid he just doesnt want to be wrong. i dont know what to say. he acts like he wants to help them but he acts like he doesnt want to listen. then he says that my little igg looks like his.

im not saying this ina defensive way but you need to change your diet, cage situation, heat/lighting, just about everything.

oh yeah and here is a new pic of my little guy. pic aint great but.. enjoy

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1.0.0 adopted iguana
0.0.1 rescued petco iguana
1.0.0 water dragon
0.0.1 mali uromastyx
0.1.0 painted turtle
0.0.1 common snapping turtle

then the ussual
2 dogs
6 cats
misc fish
hermit crabs
rat
misc. fish

My Email

ITS NOT ABOUT YOU DIEING FOR YOUR COUNTRY, ITS ABOUT MAKING YOUR ENEMY DIE FOR HIS.

HAPPINESS IS LIKE PEEING ON YOURSELF, EVERYONE CAN SEE IT BUT ONLY YOU CAN FEEL THE WARMTH

mmellott Jan 11, 2004 10:01 PM

the comment about changing everything, was this for the kid? or someone else?

SkylineGTR Jan 11, 2004 07:47 PM

mmellott, I know how you feel, I had exact same thing happen with him, I told him everything you guys told him on AIM and he got defensive and started name calling, hes not capable of handing himself yet he thinks he can raise 2 iguanas, pfft, give me a break, those iguanas wont last 1 year, and I can bet.

mmellott Jan 11, 2004 07:58 PM

unfortunatly, i don't think they will last the month well, at least the one he insists is a male...it's too young to tell, he was trying to tell me mine is def'ly a female...i don't know, could be..but can't really tell yet....he just should have done more research, i personally got mine, thought i was doin thing right, yet when i posted on here, my setup was not correct, i did what was advised and the baby is much happier,,,it's in a 3x3x4 cage (body is almost 6 in's, 18 nose to tip of tail) with plans for bigger in the near future, he has two basking lights, uv strip light, a cave to sleep(which he loves and at 9 pm every nite he goes in until around 9 am when i turn the lights back on) he has a human heating pad under the cave to keep the heat in at night, he is fed a variety of greens, veg's, vitamin powder, etc, and a glass square cooking dish for water, it's going to get bigger as he grows...i did what people told me to do with things i was doing wrong that is why i posted to make sure i was doing things right, but if he's not going to accept the help...what more can we do, ya know....please give me your comments on my ig...thanks...

mmellott Jan 11, 2004 07:59 PM

unfortunatly, i don't think they will last the month well, at least the one he insists is a male...it's too young to tell, he was trying to tell me mine is def'ly a female...i don't know, could be..but can't really tell yet....he just should have done more research, i personally got mine, thought i was doin thing right, yet when i posted on here, my setup was not correct, i did what was advised and the baby is much happier,,,it's in a 3x3x4 cage (body is almost 6 in's, 18 nose to tip of tail) with plans for bigger in the near future, he has two basking lights, uv strip light, a cave to sleep(which he loves and at 9 pm every nite he goes in until around 9 am when i turn the lights back on) he has a human heating pad under the cave to keep the heat in at night, he is fed a variety of greens, veg's, vitamin powder, etc, and a glass square cooking dish for water, it's going to get bigger as he grows...i did what people told me to do with things i was doing wrong that is why i posted to make sure i was doing things right, but if he's not going to accept the help...what more can we do, ya know....please give me your comments on my ig...thanks...i have a closer pic if you look in the image gallery....

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