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for holy - clarification on pygmy substrate

lele Jan 13, 2004 05:47 PM

I said I used coco-fiber for my leaf chams - I lied I was just looking over pix of their setup and I used repti-bark (the small chips) with soil beneath, a layer of stone and charcoal and stone beneath that. I also had a piece of screen b/t the soil and charcoal. Anyway, if you want to see a bunch of pix I will be happy to send them along - I have photos of the layering step-by-step. Email me directly.

As I recall, it was suggested NOT to use the coco-fiber b/c the pieces are small enough that a leaf cham could easily get some while shooting at food. They were much less likley to swallow a piece of repti-bark.

As for setting it up to be self-contained, as Carlton said there has to be a balance, but since the leafs use substrte, need higher humidity, etc. you could, in time and with diligence, create something that would call for minimal maintenance. Obviously, you can't rip it apart every month and re-do it but with live plants (a must) there would have to be some changes as they outgrow their pots, die, need to be cleaned and cut back, etc.

hope this has helped.

lele
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0.1 veiled - Luna
0.2 green anoles Jaida & Jetta
0.1 brown anole - Jamaica
0.2 house geckos - Gaia & Tia
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Líta

Replies (5)

Holy Jan 13, 2004 08:47 PM

Thank you for that but I have a question, so what if the chameleon get to consume some coco fiber substrate? Is this animal THAT sensitive? I'm sure in the wild they accidentaly eat leaves, coco fiber, pebbles, or something of the sort from time to time.
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1.0 Garter Snake (Evola)
0.1 Python
1.0 Green Tree Boa
1.0 Green Iguana (Shhhhhhhh)
5 (unknown sex) Read eared Slider (Ganbu, Shoty, Aulfayan, Phlegm, Lucky, n/a)
3.3 Malayan Box Turtle
1.0 Pyxidea Mouhotti (Driffy)
0.1 Diamond back Terappin (Genbu)
1.0.2 Sulcatta (Darien Wings, Tblt, and Damaso)
0.1 Red Foot(Elsa 140)
1.0.2 Alligator Snapping Turtle (Kilthum, Leudo, and Nanazusa)
1.0 Skinnypig (Poppolochrois)
1.1 Rabbit (Bugs, n/a)
0.1 Albino Cranwell's horned Frog (Mandella Banana)

*Fishes, insects, Dogs, Cats, and Birds are not included.

lele Jan 14, 2004 07:53 AM

I just meant that since it is so small and fibrous there might be a chance of one getting it often and possibly building up to cause blockage. It's more that these guys are so tiny, thus all their insides are, too. Whereas with the repti-bark, because it is larger, it is much less likely they would inadvertantly swallow it - simply because of its size. This is just what was recommended to me when I first got them. Two of the three cup-fed so I really wasn't too concerned, but Kaiya hunted so I stayed with the repti-bark. I do use the coco-fiber in my other herp tanks and I pack it down real well. I do like the way it holds moisture, dries out quickly if you need it to - and, if it's important to you (it is to me) is a renewable resource unlike peat.

lele

>>Thank you for that but I have a question, so what if the chameleon get to consume some coco fiber substrate? Is this animal THAT sensitive? I'm sure in the wild they accidentaly eat leaves, coco fiber, pebbles, or something of the sort from time to time.
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>>==============================================================
>>1.0 Garter Snake (Evola)
>>0.1 Python
>>1.0 Green Tree Boa
>>1.0 Green Iguana (Shhhhhhhh)
>>5 (unknown sex) Read eared Slider (Ganbu, Shoty, Aulfayan, Phlegm, Lucky, n/a)
>>3.3 Malayan Box Turtle
>>1.0 Pyxidea Mouhotti (Driffy)
>>0.1 Diamond back Terappin (Genbu)
>>1.0.2 Sulcatta (Darien Wings, Tblt, and Damaso)
>>0.1 Red Foot(Elsa 140)
>>1.0.2 Alligator Snapping Turtle (Kilthum, Leudo, and Nanazusa)
>>1.0 Skinnypig (Poppolochrois)
>>1.1 Rabbit (Bugs, n/a)
>>0.1 Albino Cranwell's horned Frog (Mandella Banana)
>>
>>*Fishes, insects, Dogs, Cats, and Birds are not included.

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0.1 veiled - Luna
0.2 green anoles Jaida & Jetta
0.1 brown anole - Jamaica
0.2 house geckos - Gaia & Tia
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Líta

rkreptiles Jan 15, 2004 09:04 AM

This is how we set up our Pygmy enclosures. The bottom is about 3 inches of what is called cocoa balls. It is an aggregate material that is sold for dart frog tanks and other vivariums. You cna get it pretty much at any vivarium supply store. We plant small live plants into the cocoa balls withthe roots almost half way down or more. We then place 2-3 inches of Sphagnum moss around the plants base and covering all the cocoa balls. We then add about 2 inches of water into the enclosure. The cocoa balls allow the water to evaporate without gettin too stagnant and causing alot of mildew. We have been using this set up for our Dart Frogs (when we kept and bred them) and Pygmies for year now with great sucess. Not saying that anyone else's way is bad but this is just what has worked well for us. Below are a couple of pics for reference.

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Rob Trenor
RK Reptiles
www.rkreptiles.com
www.oldworldchameleons.com
www.ballpythonmorphs.net

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Edited on January 25, 2004 at 19:01:38 by phwyvern.

holy Jan 15, 2004 09:39 AM

Thank you! That was realy clear and it's really beautiful, not to mention easy maintenance. It's perfect! Thank you again
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1.0 Garter Snake (Evola)
0.1 Python
1.0 Green Tree Boa
1.0 Green Iguana (Shhhhhhhh)
5 (unknown sex) Read eared Slider (Ganbu, Shoty, Aulfayan, Phlegm, Lucky, n/a)
3.3 Malayan Box Turtle
1.0 Pyxidea Mouhotti (Driffy)
0.1 Diamond back Terappin (Genbu)
1.0.2 Sulcatta (Darien Wings, Tblt, and Damaso)
0.1 Red Foot(Elsa 140)
1.0.2 Alligator Snapping Turtle (Kilthum, Leudo, and Nanazusa)
1.0 Skinnypig (Poppolochrois)
1.1 Rabbit (Bugs, n/a)
0.1 Albino Cranwell's horned Frog (Mandella Banana)

*Fishes, insects, Dogs, Cats, and Birds are not included.

rkreptiles Jan 15, 2004 07:53 PM

No problem at all. I hope it helps a little. If you have any questions please let me know.
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Rob Trenor
RK Reptiles
www.rkreptiles.com
www.oldworldchameleons.com
www.ballpythonmorphs.net

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Signature edited to remove advertising comments.

Edited on January 25, 2004 at 18:54:10 by phwyvern.

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