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What is it? WOuld you breed with a male blue tree????
Thoughts!

crosses among subspecies are pretty common in captivity. i have several crosses as well amongst the gouldi complex that i keep.

mike stefani crossed a black tree and a green tree.

a guy a couple years back crossed a water and a croc, i have seen a pic of it and there is definitely nothing like it (wierdest cross yet i am sure).

so, this one is your call, i am sure it is possible, however there are so many variables in breeding, nothing is 100%. it is all about husbandry and "listening" to your animals, eggs follow and are never to be expected but are only a result of husbandry.

andrew
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Andrew
A good friend of mine here in Chi-Town
has successfully bred his male Melinus with a female Indicus. 7 offspring to date.
Cool stuff!!
Mike
Mike's Monitors!

Andrew,

I have the two hatchlings salvator x salvadorii that did not survive of the 3 hatched. These two look like just big salvators, nothing more.

I am convinved the fellows you bred this cross do sincerely believe they did what they claim, but the evidence is they're salvator babies. I have their detailed notes, and looking at those one would think it was a legitimate cross - the the evidence, and that are the two babies here in alcohol say it was a salvator breeding, and that in itself is an accomplishment not to be ignored...
mbayless

The supposed Salvadori x Salvator looks like nothing more than a normal Salvator. Where did you get that "there is nothing like it", and "it's the wierdest cross"? I think this guy is mistaking that they actually crossed, or trying to pull something over on the monitor world. Just my opinion. -Jeff T

I think you have a picture of the NEWEST monitor species, Varanus boehmi!!!!

Check this website:

http://www.kingsnake.com/dnj/monitors/boehmei.html

Sorry for again a reply, but she will not breed with your male!! By the way, if I where you I would check if all paperwork is in order before buying..

But if you get a pair they will breed hopefully?????
Good luck...

Personally, I think that hybridization in tree monitors is a wasted cause. Why, would somebody wish to cross two separate tree monitor species together, when people haven't even figured out breeding the true species(consistantly). I think it is silly to produce "mutts" before we produce pure specimens. I just got into an arguement on the ball python forum, dealing with a guy who is happily hybridziing the common ball python, with the rare, infrequently bred angolan python...why??

I think it is silly to cross a macraei with a boehmi, becarri, prasinus, etc... just because you cannot locate a female macraei..
At least with the goulds complex hybrids, they have been proven to reproduce in captivity with great frequenty; once people "break the code" to breeding tree monitors, then you can worry about creating your frankensteins... just my opinion on the topic...

bob

I would agree with Bob. These are uncommon island morphs not yet being bred in captivity. To cross them (if you were able to) would be a waste of two potential breeders, one blue tree one yellow tree and would not increase the captive population of either.

Crosses within the gouldii group are a matter of personal choice, since there are plenty of pure offspring of the individual species being produced still.

If you are unable to afford a mate for your blue tree, perhaps you should consider selling your lone blue tree to someone that has a mate for it and purchase a pair of another species. It's a sacrifice but if that other person were able to breed them it'd be better for the captive population of that species.

If I could spell!!!
Anyway I was hoping to get opinions and I did. Many thanks
I was hesitant myself to do any crosses especially since breeding the blues has not happened that I know of.
If anyone has a blue female for sale I AM INTERESTED!
LIZ

Hey there,

try posting a wanted ad in the classified section. That is how I was able to acquire my female. A gentleman in the chicago area had contacted me about a female he had from the original shipment of macraei into the country via LA Reptiles. So, I guess I lucked out and got a female that was already acclimated and adjusted to captivity. SHe eats right out of my fingertips!! My males are still a bit flighty.. I must say however, a female macraei is going to cost quite a bit, considering they are no longer being imported, and to my knowledge, nobody here in the states has successfully produced these beauties...

Sorry about the other post, I did not mean to lash out at you or anybody else, I was just stating my opinions on crossing species which haven't even bred in captivity yet...

Take care, good luck..

bob

Hello,
Crossing V.prasinus and V. beccari is not so hard, as hemipene structures are virtually identical (Mertensiella, 6) as photos depict; V. macraei hemipene structures are totally different in delivery system morphology than either V.p. and V.b. respectively. As for V. bohmei, I am not sure - but being a catholic canopy dweller and adaptation to the island it lives on and where V. macraei does not, I suspect it too would have a different hemipene morphology from any of the afore-mentioned.
Just a guestimate, but when considering I have been looking at this species' complex for about 8 months, reviewing every scrap of information I can get my hands on, reviewing every wild-photo I have on them (including flora depicted in said photos!), I think they are different enouh to make crosses unlikely..and why bother? Isn't Nature's beauty enough w/out mucking it up??
cheers,
mbayless

how on earth do you know a monitor's religion?!?

catholic, hah! how do you know it ain't atheist?
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robyn@proexotics.com

Pro Exotics Reptiles

Hi Robyn,
Hahahaha....

I figured that since Magellan was there first, his Spanish backround and his devout Catholic Majesty influences - he would have ordained these "Emerald Monitors" as fellow Catholics, master of their domain, as were Catholics in their own mind during the seventeenth century...when everyone knows it was treasure and gold, i.e. Cortez in the Americas the Spanish really wanted.

As for religeon, I know little: I was baptized Lutheran, been athiest for most of my life, but when I was sick 2001 something happened that has got me thinking otherwise, and now I have been looking at all of the religeons - but I am very confused on these theologic subjects...
cheers Robyn, Thanks for the laughs...
mark

Hi batlizard,
That is a pic of a locality-specific V. prasinus complex variant - sure breed it with a green or even black Aru island prasinus...it might work? It did for M. Stefani when crossed a green x black = kordensis form.

cheers,
mbayless