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HELP!! VERY SANDY POOP!

Lord-Talon Jan 19, 2004 11:58 PM

My leopard gecko, Neo, has recently been changed to a new substrate. He previously had very fine aquarium sand, and now he is on reptile sand (like beach sand) from the pet store. My brother has been using it with his bearded dragon, Irwin. I changed the sand to this new one (actually, I think it's like playground sand). I also rearranged the cage a bit. His poop has had a lot of sand in it...sometimes the sand from the store is coarse, and sometimes it isn't. This batch seems to be on the coarse side. Anyway, it looks like his poop is almost all sand. It used to just have a normal brownish color with a bit of white aquarium sand. I've fed him crickets about every other day, and he doesn't seem to even hunt sometimes. He just sleeps. I think it's because of the winter mood. He still eats, and looks healthy. But I'm still worried. He'll eat waxworms every once in a while. But still...I've given calcium and herptivite supplements on the crickets. Is he eating sand because:

- it gets on food, or he nabs some when he grabs the prey
- not enough calcium in his diet
- he is drinking from his humidity dish in the pot, with misted moss...I think some sand may get stuck in the dish, and he licks the wet sand for water...

Help! What should I do?! I just put a paper towel on top of the sand, with the pot on top so no sand gets in the dish. Maybe this will solve the problem??

Replies (8)

GaboonKeeper Jan 20, 2004 12:10 AM

Um yeah, get it off the sand substrate..... Why do people insist on keeping leos on sand???? They do not even live on sand in the wild..... Like I have said in other post, study the animals natural habitat and there wont be as many problems with sand impactions, egg binding, and over breeding...... Stop looking at internet care sheets on leopard geckos for a minute and try reading up on the area they are from....... Put the leos on paper towels and keep them on it for the rest of the leos life...... You can even try tile..... That would be the closest to the leos natual habitat and wont cause your leo to die early in its life......

paradisio Jan 20, 2004 12:10 AM

Even with my very limited knowledge it sounds like impaction, he could be purposefully or accidently ingesting sand, but I would switch to paper towels asap and get him to a vet ASAP as well.

StarGecko Jan 20, 2004 12:31 AM

You should be worried! At least he's pooping, but that can lead to impaction pretty quickly. I would take him off the sand entirely, replace the substrate with slate or paper towels, and provide a lick dish of pure calcium (phosphorus-free). That will solve your problem.
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Lord-Talon Jan 20, 2004 07:02 PM

Um...I have been using a heat pad...how will he get heat if I use paper towels? I don't have a lamp!!!

paradisio Jan 20, 2004 07:06 PM

If you mean an undertank heater... (I hope you aren't using it in the tank lol) then whats the problem? The tank will still get just as warm if not warmer than the sand

Lord-Talon Jan 20, 2004 08:15 PM

I KNOW I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, JUST LIVE THROUGH IT AND HELP SAVE A LEOPARD GECKO'S LIFE! PLEASE ANSWER ALL MY STUPID QUESTIONS! THANKS!
As soon as I read your responses, I immediately took an hour to make a temporary cage:
- paper towel
- no heat
- big hide with humid moss
- small hide, no humid
- dark corner of my room
- water dish
- calcium dish (i put a little pile in...maybe a tablespoon? too much?) and 3 wax worms because he hasn't eaten for a few days

If I feed crickets in the paper towel cage, will they go between the towels and glass? How do I solve this???

After I did this, I removed everything from the big cage and changed from sand to paper towel. Haven't put anything back in yet, but I turned the heat on low and I havea thermometer there to check it. I hope it works. Again, what about the crickets?
Should I from now on always have a calcium dish in there? After he seems healthy again, should I move him back to a fine aquarium sand like he has had before????
Second to lastly, do I know if I solved it if he starts pooping normally again? Lastly, WHAT IF THIS DOESN'T WORK AND HE HAS SAND IMPACTION?!?!??!?!?!?

paradisio Jan 20, 2004 08:26 PM

No heat? @_@

They are cold blooded, without heat (needs undertank heating esp) they will croak from not being able to control their body temperature.... undertank heating help with digestion as well.

Make sure you have a hide on hot and cold side and a humid hide...

Make sure calcium in calcium dish doesn't have D3 (or so I hear)

That is the problem with crikets... just try to mat down the paper towel as much as possible or use mealworms...

As far as impaction goes, did you use the vegetable oil or whatever people suggest yet? If that doesn't clear it up, take it to a vet (if you haven't already) and see if he/she can suggest anything... If not cleared, it may lead to death.

I wouldn't put him back with sand, it isn't even natural for them, they live in rocky areas, just try to find a safer substrate

Lord-Talon Jan 22, 2004 12:45 AM

Thanks for everything. I have a hide on each side, and I now have heat...temps: cold, around 70 at night, hot, 82 at night... temps rise 2-4 degrees during the day

He likes his warm shelter much more, and it's way bigger, yet darker...so if he gets to warm he moves to the side. he hates the cold shelter, but no problem...im about to get him a new pot to replace the old one that broke. his hot shelter has the humid moss. Should this be in the cold shelter instead, if possible?

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