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Here is my little female. Its not the best pic but she is really staring to blue up. New England Axanthics are less impressive as babies than the other lines but get quite blue and clean as adults.

Regards,

Keith

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very nice ,,,,,,,, i plan on gettin me some axanthics this year,what is the difference? are newengland ax's a different strain than other ax's? did the axanthics show up naturally in different areas? just curious thanx,,,,,,,thomas

They are the same mutation. They have been bred together have proven out. Their origins are different though. Ive always thought the NE's were better looking adults all the ones Ive seen were nice silver purple and blue. Brandon has some nice breeders as well so I think you cant go wrong either way but NE's are harder to find. As far as I know only one guy is working with NE's that I trust are the real deal.

Keith
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so if they are the same mutation(axanthic),why is there new england strain? and what exactly does that mean? new england florida kings?? where did they originate? were both strains descended from w/c?locale?,have both strains been bred together?
thomas

I actually referred to it as a "Line" in my first post above and not a strain. The only difference is different animals were used . Bob Fengya who was partially responsible for the line had as many Brooksi as anybody back in the late 80's. He used his best females to an Axanthic male he borrowed from Steve Fuller who got it from friends via "The Shed" in Miami. The snake was sold to Steve because it was ugly LOL. They had no idea it was Axanthic but Steve realized it was special. The animals from the Shed were wild caught Brooksi and the female was gravid. As far as the Lemke line which is the more common of the two I dont think anybody knows a history maybe Brandon does ???

Keith

>>so if they are the same mutation(axanthic),why is there new england strain? and what exactly does that mean? new england florida kings?? where did they originate? were both strains descended from w/c?locale?,have both strains been bred together?
>>thomas
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The ugly Brooks at the Shed was most likely a Turkey point w/c. I frequented the Shed back in the late seventies-early eighties and saw some that came from there. The potential of these snakes was not really appreciated because they didn't have that dramatic beauty of the "Yellows". Toward the end of it's existance the Shed was indifferently run and it's famous quality disappeared. So many snakes that would have been spotted as special were missed in the turn over. Pet Farm also would recieve bulk shipments of w/c. We would see the collectors come in on Saturdays, (though most of that was Kings from the canefields of West Palm beach Co).

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

Actually an adult pair was purchased from The Shed and the female was gravid. One of the hatchlings was very dull and had no yellow and hence was sold or given to Steve Fuller. I have a pic of that male as an adult somewhere. He is light blue silver etc...As far as Axanthics and white looking animals go Ive always suspected that there are 2 mutations that sometimes piggyback each other or are expressed on there own. Brandon's white adult female looks like such an animal to me. I would bet that snake is a mutation and not a trait ??? Brandon would have to do test breedings to be sure with normal Brooksi not het for Axanthic etc...

Keith
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Here is the originator of the NE line of Axanthics. He belonged to Steve Fuller and Bob Fengya bred him to a few females to get the line going. This pic is from 1990 I think and this animal is long gone.

Keith

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That is very similar to a couple of males I saw from Turkey point, except they had a bit more black, and did not have that bluish tinge. I Wish I had photos, but they belonged to someone else. You might try asking Louis Porras about the Turkey Point Kings. As The Shed was half his back then, he probably has a better handle on it than I do.
Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

n/p

I enjoyed reading the comments that follow regarding origin of New England strain of axanthic brooks. Bill Perron brought original gravid female back to Yonkers, New York. I had heard she was collected along the "Brooksi Canal". Now I hear she was from The Shed? Antway, maybe they should be called "New York" brooksi. No, wait, as a Red Sox fan, New England brooksi sounds better. Like a New England "Yankee"? That won't work. Call them "Fengya" brooksi.

Steve,

Sorry if any of the story is false or inaccurate Im just relaying the info as told to me by Bob fengya. Im also relying on my memory from over 3 years ago. Please by all means tell the story as it was and if you have dates that would be great as well. Bob told me that you did not have any luck either finding females or getting him to breed (I cant recall exactly) and he then got the male from you on loan or something ???

Regards,

Keith Hillson
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