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whats the difference?

babydoshia Jan 24, 2004 08:12 PM

ok, i want a frog/toad (not sure of the diference) ok i have some questions, do they both come from tadpoles, if so witch one is the kind that does not need to live in water when older (i dont mind the water with the tadpoles but once they change into frogs/toads i want one that lives out of water, is that a frog or a toad

whichever one lives out of water...
what do they eat?
how long do they live?
what kind of bedding does it need?

any other info would be apreciated

sorry if this question is confusing

thanx
madelon
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herpsaremylife Jan 24, 2004 08:50 PM

well, both hve tadpoles. toad tads are smaller, and usually black with or wothout spots, pending on what type it is. also, i think most frogs (true frogs, at least) need water. theres always tree frogs, even darts(only for advanced herpers) but hard to aquire tads for those. Some species of toads have to live in water too, though. Like fire bellied toads. Theres always good old american toads, and theres several(actually lotes) types of toads good for beginners. of coarse, im just assuming your a begginer herper, sorry if im wrong. good luck.

babydoshia Jan 25, 2004 01:50 PM

ok i called my local pet stor eand they have tadpoles, they are bullfrog tadpoles. ive been looking them up online but there arent many sites aout them as pets.

can someone please give me some info on them
how big a tank do they need?
what do they eat, how often?
how long do they live?
how should thetank be set up?
can they live in pairs or must they be alone?

thanx
any other info would be apreciated

madelon

Colchicine Jan 25, 2004 03:15 PM

Bullfrogs do not make ideal pets. They require a large amount of space, ideally a 75 to 100 gallons enclosure. A significant portion of that enclosure should be water that should be filtered. It can be difficult to provide bullfrogs a nutritious and a first diet without using foods that are problematic for them such as mice. Some bullfrogs can be rather jumpy and never settle down. They can live 10 to 20 years. They should be housed separately because the males are territorial, and they will eat members of their own species if they are even slightly smaller.

Stick with toads.
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babydoshia Jan 25, 2004 03:54 PM

what type of toad do you suggest that is easy to find. i was on this one site and it said that toads are poisenous if you dont wash ur hands after toughing them, is this true, i dont think it is but id like to know for sure.

i really would rather had a toad so i dont have to deal with water and all that, at least not half a tank full of water. would it be ok if i just went out and cought a toad?

meretseger Jan 25, 2004 05:06 PM

You shouldn't touch them anyway, it's as bad for the toad as it is for you. Wear gloves if you have to pick one up.
You must live someplace WARM if you're talking about going and catching one. I tried to catch one last year but I ended up just buying one.
And just so you're not disappointed, toads like to burrow. Mine lives under his water dish.
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babydoshia Jan 25, 2004 05:19 PM

oh well i guess i wont get one, id rather have more of a pet i can pick up at least once a day. by catching one i ment when its warmer, my gramma has a creek by her house and she always has some frogs aroung in thesummer

thanx anyway
ill have to think of something else to get

does anyone know of any animal i could get
not a mammal (have to many already)
can live ina 10-20 gal tank
doesnt need expensive lighting (heat lights are ok but i dont want to get those uva uvb lights)
cheap to but (under $40)

i know proby not any animal that fits into all that but if you can think of one i'll love you forever

thanx
madelon

meretseger Jan 25, 2004 11:35 PM

Sand boas and leopard geckos come to mind... leos are a little more fun to watch. Cute too.
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"The serpent crams itself with animal life that is often warm and vibrant, to prolong an existence in which we detect no joy and no emotion. It reveals the depth to which evolution can sink when it takes the downward path and strips animals to the irreducible minimum able to perpetuate a predatory life in its naked horror."
Alexander Skutch

Colchicine Jan 25, 2004 07:40 PM

Did you even read my previous post???????

"Toad" is a subjective term rooted solely in common names. All toads are frogs but not all frogs are toads. It is kind of like everybody who lives in Virginia is an American, but not everybody who lives in America are Virginians. It is not incorrect to call a toad a frog, as this is what most scientists are starting to do anyway.

The frogs of the family Ranidae are considered "true frogs" (Leopard frogs, bullfrogs) because they live in close association with standing water. The frogs of the families Hylidae (tree frogs) and Bufonidae ("toads" are especially resistant to desiccation, and "live away from water "as you describe. Note that there are other toads that are not in that family. Of course they always have to have access to moisture in some form, in captivity this must be at least a dish of dechlorinated and clean water.

If you are looking to get an amphibian as a pet, the best beginner pet is a toad. Usually they will be either Fowler's, Woodhouses or American toads. They are especially hardy, cute, and easy to care for relative to other amphibians. A well taken care of frogs can live at least 10 years, so plan for the future. A toad in captivity can thrive off of a diet of vitamin and calcium supplemented crickets and earthworms. One can live comfortably in a 10 gallon tank, and the best substrate is coconut fiber.

I would also like to add that if you plan on having an amphibian as a pet, you should know that they are a hands-off pet. Although toads can withstand handling much more than any other group of frogs they should not be handled unless it is necessary. There are lots of web sites available describing the care of frogs and toads, make sure you do plenty of research before you get one. And if you live in an area where toads are native, it is better to collect one your self as a juvenile or a tadpole, rather than buying one from a pet store that potentially could be sick and was collected in an unsustainable manner. Basically, there is a whole chain of people making money off of the collection of wild animals. You would benefit the species by collecting one of your own.
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...the oldest task in human history: to live on a piece of land without spoiling it."
Aldo Leopold (1938)

"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
Calvin and Hobbes (Scientific Progress Goes 'Boink', 1991)

herpsaremylife Jan 29, 2004 01:35 PM

and all toads have the chemicals. you shouldnt handle amphibians very often, because the chemicals from your hands, though not very potent, are dangerouse to their delicate skin.

herpsaremylife Jan 29, 2004 01:37 PM

TAKE CARE OF. good luck

babydoshia Feb 02, 2004 09:14 AM

eastern box turtle, i know it doesnt go along with really any of my things i wanted except for being able to be picked up.
im getting one on sat, a little baby thats about the size of a quater. They are so cute

cant wait
and yes i have reserched and talked to people and have all the rite stuff for it.

thanx for the help
-madelon

Colchicine Jan 25, 2004 10:05 AM

"Toad" is a subjective term rooted solely in common names. All toads are frogs but not all frogs are toads. It is kind of like everybody who lives in Virginia is an American, but not everybody who lives in America are Virginians. It is not incorrect to call a toad a frog, as this is what most scientists are starting to do anyway.

The frogs of the family Ranidae are considered "true frogs" (Leopard frogs, bullfrogs) because they live in close association with standing water. The frogs of the families Hylidae (tree frogs) and Bufonidae ("toads" are especially resistant to desiccation, and "live away from water "as you describe. Note that there are other toads that are not in that family. Of course they always have to have access to moisture in some form, in captivity this must be at least a dish of dechlorinated and clean water.

If you are looking to get an amphibian as a pet, the best beginner pet is a toad. Usually they will be either Fowler's, Woodhouses or American toads. They are especially hardy, cute, and easy to care for relative to other amphibians. A well taken care of frogs can live at least 10 years, so plan for the future. A toad in captivity can thrive off of a diet of vitamin and calcium supplemented crickets and earthworms. One can live comfortably in a 10 gallon tank, and the best substrate is coconut fiber.

I would also like to add that if you plan on having an amphibian as a pet, you should know that they are a hands-off pet. Although toads can withstand handling much more than any other group of frogs they should not be handled unless it is necessary. There are lots of web sites available describing the care of frogs and toads, make sure you do plenty of research before you get one. And if you live in an area where toads are native, it is better to collect one your self as a juvenile or a tadpole, rather than buying one from a pet store that potentially could be sick and was collected in an unsustainable manner. Basically, there is a whole chain of people making money off of the collection of wild animals. You would benefit the species by collecting one of your own.
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...the oldest task in human history: to live on a piece of land without spoiling it."
Aldo Leopold (1938)

"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
Calvin and Hobbes (Scientific Progress Goes 'Boink', 1991)

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