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Ideas for Breeding Crickets -- Long

Iblis Jan 26, 2004 05:50 PM

My goal is to create an enclosure/system into which I can place a few hundred crickets that will provide a daily supply of both small and large feeders. I want the system to be simple and low maintenance. I do not want to have 2 or 3 separate enclosures and shuffle crickets between them. I don't want to sort or sex them. Basically I want to put food and water in and take crickets out--and maybe clean up every once in a while.

The problems:

-Crickets are cannibalistic. The adults will eat the babies.
-Crickets are dirty. They'll poop on everything.
-Crickets are stupid. They'll drown in a water dish.
-Crickets will not breed if the temperature is too high or too low.
-It's not worth spending a great deal of time and money, or else there's no benefit over just ordering 1000 at a time from a professional breeder.
-Crickets have a short lifespan--only about 8 weeks. Also, the babies grow up quickly. So you can't buy a 6 month supply. At best you can get a months worth if you are feeding adults, and just a week or two if you are feeding small.

I'm thinking along the following lines. All questions, suggestions, comments are welcome. I'm making plenty of assumptions here, and I'd like to hear about it if any of them are wrong.

Start with a large plastic container. It should be 18" deep or so. Poke some air holes in the lid.

Cover the bottom with 2 or 3 inches of peat moss substrate.

Along one side (short side, not the long side) vertically stack egg cartons. These should be the half size, 18 egg variety stacked on their sides. That way they won't be so high as to allow the crickets to jump out. The larger flats (36 egg) will work if you cut them in half. 7 or 8 egg flats will hold a very large number of crickets.

Get three small bowls (ceramic, plastic, whatever). Into one you put kitten chow. In another you put commercial cricket water gel. In the third you put greens, oranges, whatever. Keep the kitten chow bowl full. The others not so full. The water gel lasts a long time, and if you have too much it will accumulate poop. Then you have to clean it out and throw away unused gel. The greens container keeps it off the substrate which reduces mold. Don't leave any greens in there longer than 24 hours, and 12 is better. They don't need greens 24/7. Once day for 12 hours, or even every other day should be fine. They always have the kitten chow.

This is supposed to 1) provide a constant water source without killing the crickets or taking up a lot of time (like damping a sponge every day). The gel is cheap and lasts forever, plus you can get it with vitamin/calcium supplements; 2) keep a supply of food available at all times, including protein--remember this is all going into your herp). Keeping plenty of food around should also reduce cannibalism; 3) provide some variety in their diet.

Now get a second plastic container with a lid. It should be about shoebox size or less. Poke small air holes in the lid. Put in about 1.5 inches of a wet substrate like cypress mulch. At "ground level" cut a 1" square hole in the side of the shoebox. Bury the shoebox in the peat moss so that the 1" access hole is level with the peat moss as well. Remember to leave the lid on.

The idea here is to create an egg laying area. The 1" square access hole is meant to limit the traffic from one box to another. The peat moss outside is dry, so not great for egg laying. Females will prefer the moist ground in the shoebox, so they'll have a reason to go in. Not everyone will find it, but that's OK. Some males might make it in too and eat the new babies. That's OK too. As long as enough eggs are lain and a decent percentage reach maturity we're in good shape. The egg laying container should have it's own water gel and food containers, though small and flat enough to allow access for the tiny babies.

Remember the goal is to keep the colony going so that you always have crickets. You also want to have egg laying going on all the time so there's always a good mix of sizes.

Clean up should be pretty easy. Every few weeks take out the egg cartons and replace. Stir the peat moss. This will bury all the dead crickets, poop and other yuck. If you bury live crickets they'll mostly dig back out, so don't worry about that. Same goes for the egg laying area. Stir it up. You'll lose some eggs. So what? Maybe after 6 months or a year you could clean both containers and replace the substrate.

As for heat, I'm thinking a 40 watt incandescent bulb (small size, like those candle shaped bulbs). You could use a heat pad, but there would be a lot of wasted heat given the thickness of the substrate. Actually, keeping it warm for me is not the problem. I'm in SoCal, so the crickets in my garage rarely get below maybe 50 degrees even without heat. They won't thrive, but that won't kill them either. My problem will come this summer when the garage gets over 100 degrees and stays there. Might have to bring the crickets inside.

That's about it. Probably have to mist the egg laying area, but given the limited airflow it ought to retain moisture really well. Only other thing is that maybe it will work too well and I'll wind up with too many crickets? If the colony starts out at 500 adults and grows to 1000 (even after I take out 15-20 per day to feed the lizards) then maybe euthanize some.

Again, comments and thoughts are greatly appreciated.

Replies (6)

Sonya Jan 26, 2004 06:18 PM

>>Start with a large plastic container. It should be 18" deep or so. Poke some air holes in the lid.

XXX I am thinking a lid is unnecessary. I have a set up with the flap top tubs and only one flap down. With a more solid lid the mold flourishes....need more air flow.

>>Cover the bottom with 2 or 3 inches of peat moss substrate.

XXX I wouldn't bother if you don't want them to lay eggs there. The idea of decomposition is nice but I don't think it will happen the way you hope. I think you will have crix laying in the dry peat and eggs dying. I also think the stirred in bodys will make a smelly mess.

>>Along one side (short side, not the long side) vertically stack egg cartons. These should be the half size, 18 egg variety stacked on their sides. That way they won't be so high as to allow the crickets to jump out. The larger flats (36 egg) will work if you cut them in half. 7 or 8 egg flats will hold a very large number of crickets.
>>
>>Get three small bowls (ceramic, plastic, whatever). Into one you put kitten chow. In another you put commercial cricket water gel. In the third you put greens, oranges, whatever. Keep the kitten chow bowl full. The others not so full. The water gel lasts a long time, and if you have too much it will accumulate poop. Then you have to clean it out and throw away unused gel. The greens container keeps it off the substrate which reduces mold. Don't leave any greens in there longer than 24 hours, and 12 is better. They don't need greens 24/7. Once day for 12 hours, or even every other day should be fine. They always have the kitten chow.

XXX I don't beleive in the water gel. Every type I tried molded, slimed or just dried up and didn't work well. Plus it costs. I use a green scrunge pad (consistency of a brillo) cut to fit the bowl exactly. Yes, you have to mist it down once a day. But you can take it out, knock it off, rinse it and reuse it. Just an idea.

>>This is supposed to 1) provide a constant water source without killing the crickets or taking up a lot of time (like damping a sponge every day). The gel is cheap and lasts forever, plus you can get it with vitamin/calcium supplements; 2) keep a supply of food available at all times, including protein--remember this is all going into your herp). Keeping plenty of food around should also reduce cannibalism; 3) provide some variety in their diet.
>>
>>Now get a second plastic container with a lid. It should be about shoebox size or less. Poke small air holes in the lid. Put in about 1.5 inches of a wet substrate like cypress mulch. At "ground level" cut a 1" square hole in the side of the shoebox. Bury the shoebox in the peat moss so that the 1" access hole is level with the peat moss as well. Remember to leave the lid on.
>>
>>The idea here is to create an egg laying area. The 1" square access hole is meant to limit the traffic from one box to another. The peat moss outside is dry, so not great for egg laying. Females will prefer the moist ground in the shoebox, so they'll have a reason to go in. Not everyone will find it, but that's OK. Some males might make it in too and eat the new babies. That's OK too. As long as enough eggs are lain and a decent percentage reach maturity we're in good shape. The egg laying container should have it's own water gel and food containers, though small and flat enough to allow access for the tiny babies.

XXX I don't know how cypress will work for egg laying medium....as well as what I already wrote about the peat outside. Maybe just damp peat in the egg laying box?

>>
>>Remember the goal is to keep the colony going so that you always have crickets. You also want to have egg laying going on all the time so there's always a good mix of sizes.
>>
>>Clean up should be pretty easy. Every few weeks take out the egg cartons and replace. Stir the peat moss. This will bury all the dead crickets, poop and other yuck. If you bury live crickets they'll mostly dig back out, so don't worry about that. Same goes for the egg laying area. Stir it up. You'll lose some eggs. So what? Maybe after 6 months or a year you could clean both containers and replace the substrate.
>>
>>As for heat, I'm thinking a 40 watt incandescent bulb (small size, like those candle shaped bulbs). You could use a heat pad, but there would be a lot of wasted heat given the thickness of the substrate. Actually, keeping it warm for me is not the problem. I'm in SoCal, so the crickets in my garage rarely get below maybe 50 degrees even without heat. They won't thrive, but that won't kill them either. My problem will come this summer when the garage gets over 100 degrees and stays there. Might have to bring the crickets inside.
>>
>>That's about it. Probably have to mist the egg laying area, but given the limited airflow it ought to retain moisture really well. Only other thing is that maybe it will work too well and I'll wind up with too many crickets? If the colony starts out at 500 adults and grows to 1000 (even after I take out 15-20 per day to feed the lizards) then maybe euthanize some.
>>
>>Again, comments and thoughts are greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
XXX What I have read about breeding crix is to set up egg laying flats and move them tub to tub to grow. I am thinking it might be the best way to get any sort of production. But be sure to tell us if this works for you.

XXX I think you are being very optimistic. Honestly, I have never had a colony of crix produce as much as I wanted, let alone sustain it. I buy crix for the few critters that will eat nothing else. All others I raise roaches for. You can't stop roaches from breeding! And you don't need a dozen tubs too.
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Sonya

Failure is not an option. It comes bundled with the software.

Iblis Jan 26, 2004 11:45 PM

Much of what I wrote is derivative of what I'm doing now--and hopefully and improvement.

--The peat moss will get moldy if kept wet. Lid off would help, but I mounted the 40 watt light in the lid.

--On the other hand, dry peat moss won't mold, and the Cypress mulch is supposed to be able to stay moist without molding.

--I've been stirring the peat substrate since I started about 2 months ago. It does work. No icky clean up. No stink.

--I am getting babies in the dry peat. It's a small number, but they are there.

Anyway, seems like the biggest problems I have are heat (which I just fixed with the light) and babies being eaten. So I'll try the seperate box for them and see how it goes. Will post a follow up with results.

Sonya Jan 27, 2004 09:38 AM

>>
>>Much of what I wrote is derivative of what I'm doing now--and hopefully and improvement.
>>
>>--The peat moss will get moldy if kept wet. Lid off would help, but I mounted the 40 watt light in the lid.
>>
>>--On the other hand, dry peat moss won't mold, and the Cypress mulch is supposed to be able to stay moist without molding.
>>
>>--I've been stirring the peat substrate since I started about 2 months ago. It does work. No icky clean up. No stink.
>>
>>--I am getting babies in the dry peat. It's a small number, but they are there.
>>
>>Anyway, seems like the biggest problems I have are heat (which I just fixed with the light) and babies being eaten. So I'll try the seperate box for them and see how it goes. Will post a follow up with results.
>>

I am surprised they lay in the cypress but Hey!
I would think you would lose more babies to dehydration than cannabalism. I mist my entire tub one or two times a day and don't notice baby loss. I am not raising to raise though. I have incidental for my tiny bug eaters and don't need to 'produce' as all else eats roaches.
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Sonya

Failure is not an option. It comes bundled with the software.

gutloader Jan 26, 2004 06:21 PM

well, theres still isn't going to be anything easy about raising 10,000 pinheads to adults...feces is going to build up fast and so is the smell...i do like your idea though but maybe on a smaller scale...if you keep a fresh supply of greens and fruits then there is no reason for the gel cubes..i've been breeding crickets for 5 years because i need the pinheads for my dart frogs and i've never used those gel cubes.

Just keep in mind that no matter what idea you come up with (again, i like yours), it's going to be alot of cleaning up.

gutloader Jan 26, 2004 06:25 PM

the eggs are going to be layed in the peat moss, wet or dry, i would keep paper towels as the adult substrate and put your damp peat in the breeder container

Iblis Jan 26, 2004 11:53 PM

That's kind of the point. I don't want or need 10,000 pinheads. I want 15-20 a day

So the set up shouldn't be too efficient. I want to lose a lot of eggs in the dry peat. I want some babies eaten. Otherwise I'll have way too many crickets and way too much mess. I just need more to survive than are now.

Had thought about getting a length of 1.5" PVC pipe with a cap on one end (hand tight only) and a wire mesh on the other. The mesh would be small enough for the babies, but too small for the adults. That would give the babies a safe place to hide. Would also make it easy to grab some pinheads when I need them. Pick up the pipe, pop off the cap, shake out what you need.

If the egg box works too well I might try the pipe. But when was the last time anything worked too well?

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