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For those who are interested, you can watch the entire Al Gore talk about the environment and global warming online.

http://www.moveon.org/

You can also watch some great commercials done as part of the anti-Bush effort, all by volunteers. Too bad CBS has censored these commercials! They won't let them be shown during the Super Bowl!

I have been watching presidential campaigns for some time. I have NEVER seen people so geared up to unseat a sitting president. Get involved! Its going to be a great day when we finally send Bush packing!

The environment will thank you! Your children will thank you! Even wild herps will thank you!

That is so funny!! Now you are quoting a rabid liberal site and Al Gore too! Boy, you are really turning out to be a hypocrite! First you criticize me because you think I am getting info. from conservative radio (which I was not), and then you quote an extremely far left site like moveon.org! Wow, has your credibility gone into the toilet!

Is this the same Al Gore who gave a speech on the evils of global warming during the coldest day that anyone can remember?

Interesting that all the scientists that I have heard, who believe in global warming, state that most of the warming occurs at night and during the winter. Those in temperate areas will never notice a change. Those that would benefit most from global warming live in harsh climates like Siberia. Yet Al Gore is claiming the exact opposite! Not that global warming evens out the Earths extreme weather conditions, but that it makes these extremes worse! Yet another reason to doubt that global warming exists. Even those that believe in it don't agree about it's effects! (Yeah, I know, Al Gore is no environmental scientist, just another liberal alarmist)--but then again, you brought him up, not me! I don't think actors are experts on such issues either.

Rodney

that show's how unsure the scietific community is about global warming being caused by us "evil" humans.

http://www.ncpa.org/bothside/krt/krt081999a.html

Rodney

I was making fun of you rodney - someone who ripped the media repeatedly, then referenced it when it suited your lop-sided ideology. I've never had the same peculiar paranoia toward the media as you seem to have.

Watch the video - critique it as you wish. The fact that the talk was given on a record cold day makes no difference at all. When we speak of global warming we are trying to understand whats happening globally, and historically. So your understanding of the issue seems to be in question here.

But in order to understand if you are credible, we have to look at a single assertion of yours at a time - so we can be sure we get to the truth.

Rodney says:
"Interesting that all the scientists that I have heard, who believe in global warming, state that most of the warming occurs at night and during the winter. Those in temperate areas will never notice a change."

Absolutely incredible rodney. Anyone with more than a fourth grade education would read this and immediately understand where your coming from and your credibility. We'll take up this assertion, but not until we get some of your previous blatherings out of the way, OK?

Interesting how I quote scientific group after scientific group on this subject to prove my points, and you quote a politician.

I imagine when you were having a problem with an advanced calculus problem in high school, you went to your P.E. teacher for advice? Or maybe your History professor? (I always thought it was best to ask a math teacher about math problems.)

Do you think that Al Gore took political science classes, thus he must be more of an expert on science than groups like NASA, the national academy of sciences, etc..?--LOL

I truly fail to see any logic in your points or credibility in your sources. Why would you quote a politician when we were having a debate about science?

Also, when are you going to get around to answering the questions I have posed to you, like I have consistently answered yours? When are you going to prove a point, or try to disprove one of mine, instead of just continuously asking me to prove that mine are correct?

To anyone else reading this, who is interested in the global warming debate, I ran across another very interesting article.

Did you know that the initial interest in global warming came when a NASA scientist testified to congress (about 14 years ago) and that he told congress he was 100% sure that global warming existed. Later, it was discovered that there were errors in the computer model he was using that came up with this scenario. When the flaws in this program were fixed, he recanted and said that there is no evidence of global warming! Sounds just like the UN's computer model problems that keep changing their global warming projections. You won't here that in Al Gore's speech!

Or how about this info from NASA. (I told you about this in an earlier post, remember? (one of the ones in which you said I was delusional. I guess the scientists at NASA must be delusional also, since they don't agree with Al Gore either!) The one about satellite info. contradicting land based temp. measurements and how it is believed that urban sprawl has created a lot of concrete structures which corrupted those land based measurements due to the heat holding characteristics of this concrete/urban sprawl. Thus the temp. measurements were also corrupted. Most temp. measuring post are located around airports or in developing areas, not out in the forest somewhere where developments won't affect their readings)

here's a short excerpt from the article
Unlike the surface-based temperatures, global temperature measurements of the Earth's lower atmosphere obtained from satellites reveal no definitive warming trend over the past two decades. The slight trend that is in the data actually appears to be downward. I can just see pulatus's brain working hard and saying, "Darn, there's that pesky cooling problem again! How am I ever going to prove Global Warming exists with data like that around!" The largest fluctuations in the satellite temperature data are not from any man-made activity, but from natural phenomena such as large volcanic eruptions from Mt. Pinatubo, and from El Niño. So the programs which model global warming in a computer say the temperature of the Earth's lower atmosphere should be going up markedly, but actual measurements of the temperature of the lower atmosphere reveal no such pronounced activity.

The whole article is at this URL.

http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/essd06oct97_1.htm

Now if only I could find a politician or environmental group to say this same thing instead of actual scientists, then It could finally be considered credible info!

Rodney

the earth is approx 4.5 billion years old, and every billion years the average temp raises by 10 %, so im of the belief, its natural for warming to occur.
Bush is gonna wipe the liberal freaks up like gravy.
In my opinion liberal and democrats are the same as terrorists, and a bigger threat to our country then the actual terorists out there.
I hate politics, and will be glad when all this election crap is over, but i woould rather see bush in there then ANY liberal, who just wants to let the morals of our country and safety go to waste.
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nuff said