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Update.. first off thanks to those of you who gave me hope in finding her. Gave me ideas to help get her out from where ever she was. To be honest I gave up hope, and put some food ect out for her with hopes she would come out. Well after tearing my house apart and no luck, today *two days later* I decided to get a teeshirt out from my dresser drawer *bottom drawer* and there was Astrid sticking her head up at me from behind some clothes. I was so happy!

*For the record of the guy who's beeing a complete ass.. first off we would feel bad if you got bitten, people make mistakes. And second off, the box had a lid, she must have pushed it off*

Anyways, thanks guys!

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1.0 Leo Gecko's *Astrid* - was told he was a her at first
0.0.1 Pictus Gecko *Raine* - too young to sex
1.1 Hollond Lop Bunnies *Panda, Oreo*

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2.2 SHCT Leopard geckos: Digger,Big Papa, Big Mama and Jingle Belle
2.4 jungle & leucistic morphs: Van Gogh, Monet,Pissarro, Speckles, Mouthy, and Mama Cass
0.0.1 Normal??? Leo(rescue):Skinny
0.1 Ragdoll cat: Tinkerbell
2.0 Devon Rex cats Gryffindor, Tigger
0.1 Cat Dinah
1.2 Bassett hounds Bogart, Sadie, Hermione
3.0 Feretts Blizzard, Coco, Fuzzums
3.0 Chinchillas

Grats!!! and one should never give up hope )
A guy here in sweden lost his cornsnake and found it in the basement after over a year, HEALTHY!

Looks really super cool and very naturalistic!!! I love it! How many leos are in there? How did you set it up (what are the mesa's, etc....?)
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Sarah Stettler aka Starling
Sarah@stargecko.com
StarGecko.Com COMING SOON! Star Quality Leopard Geckos
Specializing in Hypotangerine Tremper Albinos

Yepp brand new and dryrunning tempcheck atm.
Cage is 6*2*2 and housing 1.2. Made the backgroud from styrofoam with 11 reg hides and 4 moist ones all hidden inside background and easy accessed.

Do they seem to love it? Are you going to put more in there?

Beautiful!
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Sarah Stettler aka Starling
Sarah@stargecko.com
StarGecko.Com COMING SOON! Star Quality Leopard Geckos
Specializing in Hypotangerine Tremper Albinos

Possibly a couple more ladies if I find any nice ones. Got the space for them anyway.

I knew you would find her! Glad to hear she is safe and sound and back where she belongs
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Sarah Stettler aka Starling
Sarah@stargecko.com
StarGecko.Com COMING SOON! Star Quality Leopard Geckos
Specializing in Hypotangerine Tremper Albinos

Yay! they are tough little guys

How did she get out anyways?

she was in a box with the lid shut, while i was cleaning her tank, and she must have pushed the lid off and was gone.
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1.0 Leo Gecko's *Astrid* - was told he was a her at first
0.0.1 Pictus Gecko *Raine* - too young to sex
1.1 Hollond Lop Bunnies *Panda, Oreo*

I dont think I was being an ass..... Just cant uderstand how these things happen, that all..... And seeing the bragging isnt realy a good thing especialy about how these leos were missing for so long when they should have never gotten away in the first place....... I know we are human but these are things that should not happen and it aint like leopard geckos come with lock picks...... I hope you learned a lesson from this..... So if you want to think I am an ass, thats fine...... I just think escapes are the easiest things to avoid...... And to Star Geckos, the only problem I have is when avoidable stuff like this happens....... You obviously know what you are doing, and I was very suprized to see you bragging about escapes...... Anyone knows that escapes are pretty much rookie mistakes...... Tell me, whos falt is it when an escape happens???? The leopard geckos???? I dont think so...... I might seem like an ass but I dont see anyone else disagreeing.......

Opinions are like assholes, everybody has them right.

Don't you think when something like this happens, that the person doesn't feel horrible. Because I did, I couldn't even look for her due to bawling my eyes out. My boyfriend and father had to do it for me. And like I said she was in a closed lid box, they are just smarter than we think.

And rookie, I wish I was a rookie, because that is when I find you are MOST careful because you aren't aware of what they are capable of.
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1.0 Leo Gecko's *Astrid* - was told he was a her at first
0.0.1 Pictus Gecko *Raine* - too young to sex
1.1 Hollond Lop Bunnies *Panda, Oreo*

I have had 2 leopards escape, it sucks. Thankfully, I found them both within a day or so. One jumped out of my hands and ran between the wall on the unfinished side of the basement. The second was my fault, I was cleaning tubs and feeding and didn't push her tub back into the rack. I found both of them late at night when I snuck down stairs with a flashlight, commando style. I wasn't so lucky with one of my crested geckos, still can't figure out how she got away, but it has been several months now and no sign of her......
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Sam
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When a mistake or tragedy happens, there are people who stand around pointing fingers and blaming and there are people who try to help and comfort and console and give hope

The story of a lost gecko surviving for months is not bragging about anything but the gecko's ability to survive, a story I have heard time and time again on this forum and have experienced myself. And when I was distraught about a lost gecko, it was these kinds of stories that people offered up on this forum and emailed me with (people who generously and kindheartedly admitted their fallibility) that gave me hope. It is something that gave me great comfort, and I appreciated it more than I can say.

I shared my story because I wanted to reassure and bring hope to someone who was obviously distraught and guilt-ridden already. If you think that reflects badly on me then go right ahead. I'd rather be kind and compassionate than be (or try to create a false image of being) perfect.

Criticizing someone for being careless in a situation like this is just rubbing salt in their wounds and kicking them when they are down. It's unkind. I don't see why kindness and compassion should be such difficult concepts to understand.
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Sarah Stettler aka Starling
Sarah@stargecko.com
StarGecko.Com COMING SOON! Star Quality Leopard Geckos
Specializing in Hypotangerine Tremper Albinos

My opinon is that it could have been prevented, but I know I've made my mistake or two in the past so why put someone down. I also think you guys should listen to your own words. Sure what he said at the time was unkind but not anymore mean than calling someone an ass. Everytime I come on this forum theres more arguements, is making the forum an unhappy place really worth it?
Mac

most people try not to start arguments...then there are people who come on and start calling people irresponsible and stuff...that's what starts the arguments...

with the fact that you're an ass... No one was "bragging" about how they lost their geckos. They were trying to make someone feel better by showing how well geckos can survive in a comical manner. You know they say laughter is the best medicine. It always makes people feel better when they can laugh about something bad that happened to them...it also makes normal people feel better to know they aren't the only ones to have things happen to them. You just wait till one of your animals escapes...then come back and tell everyone they're irresponsible. Even the most experienced and knoweledgeable keepers make mistakes and have accidents. Ever heard of Steve Irwin...VERY rarely does he make a mistake...but he does, just take a look at his hands! Go to a zoo and talk to some of the experienced keepers...I'm sure you'd find at least one who'd made at least one mistake in the past. You really need to get off your high horse and give everyone a break or you'll find little sympathy when one of your animals gets loose (however if you were bit by a venemous animal you would get plenty of sympathy...no matter how big a jerk you are).

All of you resort to name calling...... Not that I care or anything...... It just shows me and everyone else reading this your level of maturity...... All I did was state a fact and everone wants to call me an ass or a jerk or a turkey or whatever...... Trust me there will never be an escape in my collection....... All of my animals are kept in a room devoted to my snakes and lizards...... Because there are hots in this room it needed to be 100% escape proof..... Nothing for them to get in or under....... Inspected by fish and game...... Even if on would ever get out of a cage they wont get out of the room....... Mistakes do happen but most of them are avoidable..... Like I said escapes should not happen...... If they are housed properly stuff like this would not happen....... They dont pick locks and they do not grow he-man muscles and push lids off..... So I will just be a jerk or an ass with all my reptile in their cages......

What the problem is, is nobody is perfect. It doesnt matter how perfect you are, when you make your mistake somebody is going to criticize you for it. In this case, accidents happen and you learn from it. Criticizing doesnt help. Making the mistake is enough to learn from it. I'm willing to bet it will never happen again. So your criticism isnt needed. Your not perfect either and i bet you dont like people disrespecing you when you make a mistake.

You sound like an ass to me too. So i guess i'm part of the immature beginner crowd.

Not once have I ever called anyone a name and still people feel the need to call me one...... Must be a bunch of kids out here..... If you had half the knowledge i have you would be ok...... I guess name calling is something you can do if you have nothing else to say...... So keep on calling me names...... Its fine with me and I wont even report it..... If it makes you feel better about yourself then go for it...... This is actually kinda fun for me...... I got hurt at work and I am home for another week so I can keep this up alittle longer.....LOL..... So bing it on kiddies...... I feel like I am in grade school again.....LOL...... I just get a kick out of all these stupid mistakes that should not happen..... I bet there will be a post about this same topic in another week or so...... Yeah I know you are only human but not all humans are stupid......Lets see if someone can come up with a name for me other than ass.......

Mistakes and Stupidity are two different things my friend. Again you go off with your "holyier than now" attitude. I'm sure there is a lot you don't know, as there is a lot I don't know. I'm sure there are also things I know that you don't and visa versa. Give it up.

And the comment about back in public school, what I'd give to be back in public school.

And you got hurt at work, I'm SURE it could have been prevented. See everything can be prevented. No really that was just me being a smartass, I'm sorry to hear you are off work with an injury .. I'm sure it sucks. I wouldn't want to be off work, I'd go crazy sitting here all day.

Anyways it's getting late, things to do ect. Hope everyone has a good night.

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1.0 Leo Gecko's *Astrid* - was told he was a her at first
0.0.1 Pictus Gecko *Raine* - too young to sex
1.1 Hollond Lop Bunnies *Panda, Oreo*

Duh

Wow...I just have to say that I have absolutely zero respect for you. Btw...I love your comment of "yeah I know you are only human but not all humans are stupid"...Apparently you seem to see yourself as better than the rest of us homo sapiens that make mistakes and aren't perfect. Well I've got news for you buddy...YOU'RE HUMAN TOO!!!! unless there's something you're not telling us...lol People make mistakes...things get lost, animals get loose, things get broken, etc, etc, etc... When I "meet" someone (and I must say I'm glad I haven't actually met you) that feels that they won't ever make a mistake with something...I automatically lose all respect for them. As for being "gradeschool"...I think that's a ridiculous comment, especially when someone deserves the names they're being called. Apparently you not only think you never make mistakes, you also seem to think you know everything...which let me assure you...you don't! You may know more about reptiles than I do...but I'm sure I know more than you about a lot of things...and I'm not even out of college yet...and I definitely know more about how to be a friendly and respectable person....

Oh, and I forgot to mention...you say you get a "kick out of all these stupid mistakes that are not supposed to happen"...isn't that basically the definition of a mistake??...you know...an unintened or unpredicted result to some action? Most car accidents are avoidable too...but that requires the cooperation of both drivers in every accident...you can't control what the other driver is going to do...just like you can't control what an animal is going to do. People like thier leopard geckos, and know they aren't harmful, therefore they're less cautious with them then they would be with a poisonous animal. I'm sure you are too. I know I like to handle my geckos, they're cute and I wouldn't want an animal I couldn't handle. However wanting to handle an animal means that you're automatically going to open things up to a hell of a lot more mistakes than if you keep them in cage and only open it up to feed them or move them to clean their cage. You happen to be in an entirely different situation than the majority of us out here that have pets we want to interact with. Most of us dont' keep our animals locked up in a room where we can't see them all the time...we want to enjoy them...that may open things up to more mistakes...but what's the point to haveing them if we can't enjoy them? Mistakes and accidents happen...it doesn't mean you have to ream people out for them...

I realize this is kind of ranty...but I don't really care...mistakes happen, especially if you want to enjoy things in your everyday living...if you want to make things unenjoyable by making it as safe as is humanly possible...go for it...but I'd much rather make a little mistake every now and then, and make things enjoyable!

n/p

Venom is injected into the blood steam poison is injested or asorbed...... Big differance...... Snakes are venomous frogs are poisonous...... Not at all the same......

Here's a definition I found...Full of venom; noxious to animal life; POISONOUS; as, the bite of a serpent may be venomous

just so you don't go and try to tell me I'm wrong again when I know I'm not. And I did mean to say venomous originally.

When you are bitten by a snake you are envenomated not poisoned...... Venomous snakes are my main area so please do not try to school me there...... I am done with this..... Wanna keep talkin, thats fine but I am on a new topic.......

n/p

How is everyone's night going????
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Matt
My Reps:
1.0.0 Brown (Bahaman) Anole
0.1.0 Green Anole
2.1.0 leopard geckos a Norm, an Abberrant, and my newest... a Blizzard!

Actually, i said you "sound" like an ass, and you do. I'm not the only person who thinks so. I'm not the first person whose said it and i'm probably not the last. I dont know you, and the only thing i do know about you is that you havnt treated a single person with respect. So do you think anybody is going to treat you with respect??

n/p
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Holy Molly Great Gobs Of Geckos
-Aaron-
1.2 rainwater albinos
0.2 hypo tang
1.4 hi yellow
1.3 tremper albinos
0.1 blizzard
0.1 leusistic
1.1 Patternless het albino rainwater
0.2 Tremper Reverse Stripe Tangerine Albino

Just a question? Why mess with the rest when you can have the best. -Great Gobs Of Geckos-
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There is nothing wrong with kids. Gaboonkeeper is just blowing some smoke. We must've really struck a chord with him. He can tell we're not kids but a mature adult usually takes offense to somebody calling them immature. So gaboon is trying to make us look stupid, otherwise he wouldnt be talking so negatively about kids. He obviously knows we are adults and is just trying to make us look stupid. Even though he claimes to get a kick out of all this.

Look how long the thread is, all over somebody saying it could have been prevented. This forum is so predictable.
This isnt even about leos anymore, it about people being rude and mean, which doesnt relate to leos whatsoever so why doesnt everyone get back to there lives (assuming they have one)
And you guys wonder why alot of people come and go....theres your answer!
Mac

Personally I don't feel this as an attack on me. One day his will come, the door will be left open just a crack by accident and that is the day something will go missing.

And NO they aren't super heros with mega strength, but I have seen what my leo can do, and she has the strength as I've just learned to push the lid off a cardboard (oh no, not cardboard, don't insult that I put her in cardboard please lol) box.

Resorting to name calling, I said you are making yourself look like an ass, I don't have to tell the world this, they can see it.. it isn't name calling. In your own holyier than now attitude I think the lack of maturity lies within yourself. You are not perfect, I'm not perfect and a lot of people on here have admitted as well they are not perfect. People are just telling you to realize that.

I DO however thank all of those who did tell me their stories of lost leos and their survival skills because it DID make me hopeful I would find her, and I did. She is alive, healthy and HAPPY to be back in her home. She actually seems a lot better than before. Less lathargic I think.

Anyways thanks again to everyone who gave me tips on finding her and their hopeful stories. I enjoy coming here, because I know I can always rely on good information. This was the first place I came when I was still a rookie with Leo's and it's still a place I look to when I have questions. Thanks guys.

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1.0 Leo Gecko's *Astrid* - was told he was a her at first
0.0.1 Pictus Gecko *Raine* - too young to sex
1.1 Hollond Lop Bunnies *Panda, Oreo*

You gott answer my post two times..... I never said I was perfect...... Mistakes happen...... I just stated that an escape was the easiest mistake not to make...... The housing and the safty of it should be a priority, not over looked...... And there you guys go hoping my animals get away...... And do you think I care if a few novice leo keepers respect me???? Not really...... Epescially the ones that need to resort to calling me an ass or a jerk...... Trust me, the work I do in the reptile community gets me enough respect from where it counts...... Numerous papers written, feild and lab studies on thing most people think there has been no studies done....... Do I feel I am a more skilled keeper being that I never had an escape in 20 years of keeping reptiles??? I guess I do..... Do I think I am way more of an advanced keeper being that I have been breeding leos since the high yellows were the big thing and that I have kept everything from Anoles to black mambas?????? Yeah I think that qualifies me...... But never said or thought that I was a better person or knew about everything...... It would be stupid to say I know everything about anything....... We learn every day....... Escapes are too avoidable and I still cant see how someone can be careless enough to let it happen....... Safty is the first priority...... Oh and I enjoy my reptiles just fine without feeling the need to pick them up and cuddle with them...... I am sure you think you leos need you to pick them up and show them affection when in reality it would just rather be left alone...... Dont believe me???? Well there have been studies done on that too...... Look it up...... So if you wanna think I am a bad, heartless person that is fine...... I think I am being realistic........ Sorry that the truth hurts so much.....

sorry...I don't think that's the truth and it sure as hell don't hurt. Just so you know, there was someone on here a while ago who had a leo that got depressed and wouldn't eat if he didn't handle it enough. Also I've noticed that a lot of people have leos that actually beg to come out of the cage and be held. Just because some don't like it doesn't mean none of them do, or that they never will. You know anything about dogs?...a lot of strays won't go near people at first, but once they get used to them they'll never stop begging for attention! My dog is kind of like that...he got attatched to me very quickly, but takes a while to warm up to most new people.

Dogs are pack animals and leos are solitary reptiles only comming together to breed...... I know for a fact that reptiles do not need a human companion...... The only thing reptiles "like" about us humans is we give off heat..... You have to remember that these are not mamals with advanced brains....... Most of what you see is not them being smart..... It is instinctive behavior...... Your leos get used to you being around...... You actually just become a part of their habitat...... Sorry to break the news to you...... Again you are just showing your level of experiance and understanding of these animals.....

I wasn't really comparing them to dogs...I was just saying that they can used to people and even come to like them. I realize its really just for heat...but that doesn't mean they don't like it. And I'm not stupid...I know they don't need people. Btw I am a prevet major in college and I know the differences between reptiles and mammals...A hell of a lot more than most people do...and probably even more than some of the breeders on here do.

You would see that in my first post I did say I was sorry for your loss...... And in this post I said I was glad you found her....... So am I really that mean????

Just because you're sorry the animal was lost and glad it was found doesn't mean you aren't mean...I think most people can realize when an animal escapes that they're doing something wrong...they dont' need someone to tell them...although that seems to be the job you've taken up on the forum...I believe that's all I've really heard from you...telling people that they're doing everything wrong and that their mistakes shouldn't happen. Maybe you should try being nice to some people sometimes.

I should be allowed to say what I feel right????? I think pointing out the mistakes are a good thing to do so other new keepers do not have these problems...... Istead of making it sound almost ok not to worry about putting clips on a cage or a proper cover on a box because your leo will turn up again, I was simply letting other less experianced keeper know that it wasnt ok....... And then people started to call me names....... I do not think my first post to this should have gone this far but some people just cant keep to themselves....... You keep saying that I am wrong but in reality I am 100% correct...... You made a pretty bold statement one time and I corrected it because it was wrong....... Its not a good idea to say something is safe when it has proven to be fatal...... But that is a whole other thing and we already got into that...... I dont want to fight over leopard geckos...... This is actually pretty stupid and repetative....... All I have to say is learn proper housing first and then get the reptile you want.....

Sheesh!! Not only are you an ass, your a cocky, arrogent, know-it-all ass. Not all of us are interested in knowledge all that. Some people just like to have pets. I for one am not interested in breeding or scientific stuff. What do you think this business is all about? So who cares how much knowledge you have. We have as much as we need. I still cant get over how cocky you are. You have alot of nerve.

I'm just going to stop arguing here...you'll obviously never learn that sometimes mistakes happen...once they've been made there will precautions to insure it doesn't happen again...you don't need to kick people when they're down to make a point.

This thread has gotten OOC and is going nowhere constructive.

I don't like unkindness but I don't like name calling either.

I can understand why people are upset but no useful purpose is being served here by people jumping in and calling names. Let's get back to a subject we can all agree on. Please.
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Sarah Stettler aka Starling
Sarah@stargecko.com
StarGecko.Com COMING SOON! Star Quality Leopard Geckos
Specializing in Hypotangerine Tremper Albinos