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What is he.. or she?

here is the adress to a picture of his head:
http://www.geocities.com/miss_epicrates/pokiehead.html
here is a link to a full body shot:
http://www.geocities.com/miss_epicrates/pokie.html

Where did you get it?

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If I remember correctly, the guy I bought him from said that he caught him in florida.... but I could be mistaken. He is 3 years old I think, and 3 and a half to 4 feet long.

Sorry,
Didn't mean to post the Salamander Pic (Redback from N shore of Lake Ontario). Oh well, What can ya do? Heres another from the same place (Spring Peeper)

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More Pics (Blue Spotted Salamander)

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It's not really Leaded and more blue spotted then most leadbacks i've seen, found on N shore of Lake Ontario so that's about all it can be.

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Yep that's definetely a leadback. I've found ones like that before too.
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It is either a Black Ratsnake that hasn't turned completely black yet or a Gray Rat x Black Rat intergrade. Either way, it is one of the subspecies of the common ratsnake (Elaphe obsoleta).
Which subspecies it is depends on where you found it.
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Chris Harrison

at about what age should he turn black if he is a black ratsnake? The guy that I bought him from said that he caught him in florida I think.... he also told me that it was a greenish, but others have told me different so I thought I'd get your opinions. The snake is about 3 years old... defenitly not older than 4, and not quite 4 feet yet.

That snakes looks a little bit dark for a FL gray rat, but it could be one (they are variable). If the snake is from FL, it won't ever turn completely black.

I doesn't look like a greenish rat. By the time a greenish rat gets to that size, it almost invariably is striped. Your snake doesn't show the striping typical of most Greenish Rats I have found.

Frankly it looks a lot like the ratsnakes I used to find when I lived in South Carolina which where Black x Gray rat intergrades, basically a dark Gray Rat.
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Chris Harrison

I would be inclined to rule out Florida. Looks way too dark. I think Chris has it nailed.

Frank
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What is a Greenish Rat? Latin Name? NP
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Formerly Elaphe (can't recall the new Genus) obsoleta x quadrivittata.

~~Greg~~

I thought it might be some intagrade, thanks.
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