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sometime last night my cage of 5 adult emps fell and all but one were collected, how strong is their venom againt a cat, kitten and dog? and what should i do if they get stung
thanks
kevin

I wouldn't worry. It's a little stronger than a bee sting but that about it.
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It's far more likely that your cat/kitten/dog is gonna end up killing the scorpion than it actually doing anything to them...it might sting em, but that shouldn't be too bad...

I just into alittle thing on the leopard gecko forum about escapes...... How do keepers allow this to happen???? It is the most important think when keeping anything...... Learn how to properly house your animals and this crap wont happen...... So you have a venomous animal and did not secrure the lid??? Was it not on a secure shelf or table and was knocked over by something???? Or were you cleaning out the cage a put it in a container that was not secure???? No wait, I am sorry the scorpion must have picked the lock with its tail and pushed the lid off and got out...... This is the most easiest thing to avoid yet it still happens...... This is why our hobby is becomming more and more restrictive..... How long until someone comes out here and says "my cobra got out.... What should I do???"...... Un-frickin-believable......

I have three cats....and an off limits snake room. Cats love to try and break into reptile cages. the best preventitive is out of sight out of mind.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

I've had snakes and other animals for 20-some years and didn't understand how people could lose one...and then my pair of jungles (king/corn) escaped from their tank last summer. I still have yet to figure out how they did it.

The lid was on secure and weighed down with 2 sweater boxes with other snakes in them. These were yearling snakes; 22 inches at best...there's no way they could have lifted the one corner that doesn't snap on with those sweater boxes on top. The only thing I can figure is that they forced their way through a teeny gap by the little door in the lid. I managed to find the female but the male is still missing, 6-8 months later.

I dont know...... Maybe being that I keep mostly hots I am alittle to causios about how my animals are housed...... And we are not talking about a tiny corn that can slip through tight spaces...... I was an emp scorpion...... It cant climb glass and they are not as good at escaping anything as a snake is...... I have had reptiles for over 20 years and hots for about 12 years now...... Never had an escape..... Maybe thats why I have such a hard time with this subject..... I just think that these same people letting leopard geckos out of the cage and allowing scorpions to run free might be the same ones that buy a "cool looking cobra" (venomoid or not) and let that escape as well..... See where I am going with this????? Thanks for the reply though...... Sorry you lost your corn......

You make a good point Gaboon. The only "Hot" escape I ever had was when we were moving (and so nothing was where it was suposed to be) and one of the cats knocked a ten gal aquarium off it's stand, releasing a baby yellow Eyelash. It was two days before I located it coiled up in the leg of a wicker chair. Hence; the no cat zone in my new house.

I did have an interesting situation with a Coral that crawled out from under my couch in front of my guests, but he was not one of mine. Just dropping in to say "hello" I guess. He made a quick exit (with my help)to the woods behind the house.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

Wasnt that a LITTLE nerve wracking? Did you stay in the house until finding it? I couldnt image having a hot loose in the house.

I had a roomate that lost his cottonmouth in the house some how. I was pretty happy to find that one out after coming home. Luckily I found it in the snake room under a peice of ply wood. People really need to be more careful when housing snakes in general hot or not. Even if the snake is not hot but you live some place where it gets really cold the poor thing will probably die a pretty [bleep]ty death if it is not found quickly.

Jeremy

The good news was that it got loose in a section of the house that could be blocked off (glass doors). The cat had accessed the room through a serving window that was impossible for the 6" eyelash to reach. The interesting part was digging through the stacked boxes and furniture till I located it on the underside (leg) of the chair. None the worse for wear. I was in far greater danger when my Ex-wife was loose in the house (lol)

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

It's not in a snake's nature to seek out something so much bigger than it...in other words, you're never going to see a stealth viper waiting in the shadows for its chance to jump out and get you. Now, if you were a mouse rather than a person, that would be a different story. LOL!

But, that coral coming out from under the couch with a room full of people...that's creepy!!

Being that it is so small it could be ANYWHERE. That would drive me nuts. Is it in my shoe? my favorite hat? under the couch? I mean the possibilities are endless. And of course I'm aware that it would much rather avoid human contact (I have one). But if it were put in a position where it felt threatened (in my shoe with a big stinky foot smooshing it) there is no doubt in my mind that it would defend itself. THAT is what would be nerve wracking for me, not knowing where it could be.

Or having to go through everything to find it. Bet it is hard to rip up the room to find a hot, it is hard enough to find a non hot where u don't have to worry about where you put your hands.
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Derek Affonce
DeKeAff Exotics
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Actually we were lucky in that by it's nature it would seek a secure hiding place as would be normal for them. Or in other words the closest thing to a low bush. Of course the fact that it was a yellow might have made a difference; as I have seen in mine that the more "moss" colored ones seem to hang out in ground litter(anyone else see that in their animals?)My yellows allways go up. Fortunately this was a "Florida Room" so there was no chance of shoes beuing occupied (I was more worried about a couple of umbrellas....

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

LOL!

I'm still wondering how the scorpions got out too but who knows...I'm assuming it was a fluke thing. Now that my own corns escaped, I think it's more fair to give someone the benefit of doubt, rather than assuming they're just morons and laying into them...although some people richly deserve it!! LMAO!! Other people just underestimate the animal!