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Wouldn't you say they weren't ready? Both of these U.Malinesis are still sub-adults. Malcom (M)is only 130gm....5"STV--8"total.
Misty (F) is 145gm. same size in lenght. I've been housing them together since last March... I figured I wouldn't be dealing with this until '05. All comments welcomed. anyone breeding them especialy! I'm worried about possible health implications for "Misty". Seperate...or let nature take it's coarse (and get that Hova-bator before it goes off sale!!) I'm adding a pic of "Malcom".

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JDBlackdog
2.1 MALI
1.1 YELLOW GEYRI
0.2 SOMOLIAN
1.1 ORNATE
0.1 ROTTWEILER

I have a small male that is 9 inches long and just over 100 grams. He is on the slender side, but with the way he has been eating after brumation that should change very quickly. Well this 100 gram 9 in male has been mounting my 200 gram female which i suspect to be already gravid. So Now i am not sure who is the father of her clutch. Usually this wouldn't matter, but one male is malis, the female is malis, and the small male is moroccan-werneri. Since hatchlings and even juvies of both these types of uros look the same for a while i am going to have to keep them to see what they are. But that no problem, just add to the fun of breeding uros.

Well i guess that uros over 100 grams or 9 inches can breed with females. It might be difficult especially if the male is 100 grams and the female is 200 but it can be done, lol. You might want to take her to the vet to get some calcium shots. I forgot what they are called, but they help gravid females that need a little extra boost in developing the eggs, especially if they are young adult females/sub adults. So i would add extra calcium to their food, and take her to the vet and get his opinion. The main risk is egg-binding, which should be your biggest concern. This isn't the best situation, and you definatly need some of the breeders opinions like lindsay, and douglas dix. Lindsay is at urotopia, i would email him because he emails you back very quickly and is very knowledgeable. If you let nature takes its course, you might end up with a dead female filled with possibly fertile eggs.
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Mike
1.1.2 maliensis (Spike, Marshmellow, Stuby, Hummer)
1.1 acanthinurus-werneri (Mongas,LS)
0.1 ornata (Chubs)
0.1 Pit Bull/German Shephard/Lab/ect. mix (Kodak) - looks like an over grown toco bell dog.

Thanks for the info! Now I'm thinking I might have 3 gravid females!!!!! I wasn't planning on the malis (youth?) my 300gm Ornate was supposed to be the only one to be breed in'04. I'm guessing the U.Geyri pair my be in the same boat. I've noticed she's been getting "plump"!?? He's 195gm & 10"... she's 115gm & maybe 7". I guess I better get the incubator. Do you remember roughly how much time you had before she laid? Wish me luck...please!

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JDBlackdog
2.1 MALI
1.1 YELLOW GEYRI
0.2 SOMOLIAN
1.1 ORNATE
0.1 ROTTWEILER

my goodness Jason, your going to be a busy busy guy soon, URO's everywhere, hahahhhaha, Hope all goes well

Eve

Its about 4-6 weeks, but my girl was a full 6 weeks. A few days before they lay their eggs they go into a digging frenzy. So put in some nesting boxes, or large piles of nesting materials in the cage. I used a nesting box filled with 3 inches of moist not damp vermiculite. I saw her lay all of her eggs. I would say it takes anywhere from 1-2 hours for them to lay all their eggs. I removed the eggs the second they were laid so she didn't have a chance to puncture them. If your females have long nails i would trim them down so the chance of them punctureing the egg is lessened. Also, I put a large water bowl when she was in her digging frenzy stage. So she could absorb moisture for the eggs. After she laid her clutch she drank a lot of water so i would definatly put a water bowl in the cage for your females. My females is also in the plump stage, where you cant really feel or see any eggs, but you know that they are in there, lol. Good luck.
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Mike
1.1.2 maliensis (Spike, Marshmellow, Stuby, Hummer)
1.1 acanthinurus-werneri (Mongas,LS)
0.1 ornata (Chubs)
0.1 Pit Bull/German Shephard/Lab/ect. mix (Kodak) - looks like an over grown toco bell dog.

Thanks Mike for all the help..lord knows I'm gonna need it! I haven't felt this "figity" since my youngest was born. Mother Hen...or rather Father Rooster syndrome I guess. I'll keep you posted... let me know how your breeding is going. If they turn out to be Mutts, I'd love to see them. And Eve.. PHEve...I'll be sure to post pics just for you! shutterbug!!!!
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JDBlackdog
2.1 MALI
1.1 YELLOW GEYRI
0.2 SOMOLIAN
1.1 ORNATE
0.1 ROTTWEILER

not to rain on the parade or anything...

keep in mind that there are many different steps and behaviors that make up the chain of events that lead to hatching live babies.

in lizards particularly, males will mount males, females will mount females, females will mount males, males will mount males that are already mounted on females, it is all part of socializing behavior. that is one step.

harder than that is copulation. that is where a male mounts a female and is actually putting in work. this may be completely unproductive if the female is not cycling.

harder than that is getting eggs.

harder than that is getting good, viable eggs.

and harder than ALL OF THAT is getting those eggs to hatch : )

the point is, just seeing some "mounting" behavior, or even true copulation, does not mean that eggs are to follow, or that you are "x months" from hatching babies.

best of luck to you and your animals Jason, the hard work is only just beginning!
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robyn@proexotics.com

Pro Exotics Reptiles

and you get some eggs and they hatch !
And then yes, you better post some baby pics, (because yep, you got it, after loving lizards, I love taken their pics) LOL

Eve

Hi, i am posting some of the old pics of my uros. Once you click the link below it will take you to the my webshots page. Click Uromastyx for all the adults and their old tank set-up, without the dirt and everything i now have in it now. Click 2003 uromastyx hatchlings for pics of the eggs, and the hatchlings. Hatchlings are now in a cage i built 30 X 19 with 1 foot of dirt. These pics were taken a long time ago, i am going to try to update the pics soon. Enjoy.
Uromastyx pics

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Mike
1.1.2 maliensis (Spike, Marshmellow, Stuby, Hummer)
1.1 acanthinurus-werneri (Mongas,LS)
0.1 ornata (Chubs)
0.1 Pit Bull/German Shephard/Lab/ect. mix (Kodak) - looks like an over grown toco bell dog.

I'm just wondering if Malcom has ever seen "the Lion King"? I know Malcom is an animal and all but I just think it looks so much like the lion standing at the tip of that mountain. Sorry, just found it really funny and cute.

Easily amused,
Allison

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JDBlackdog
2.1 MALI
1.1 YELLOW GEYRI
0.2 SOMOLIAN
1.1 ORNATE
0.1 ROTTWEILER