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Striped siblings,sexual pair of F1's

holy 5H!T.......jungle salmons look out...

thsoe are beautiful.

>>Striped siblings,sexual pair of F1's
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"If woody would of went to the police, none of this would have ever happened!"

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I hope that doesn't sound too much like "rap"

You are really on to something with those babies!!!! I am loving the pics!! Keep them coming!!!!
John
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"To be the best..........You must loose your mind."

Those look like Salmon Jungles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dear lord.........What kind of crazy chemicals are you guys using???? The experiment has worked!! You have created a "monster".
John
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"To be the best..........You must loose your mind."

and i'm probably going to sound stupid, but shouldn't those be at least F2's? F1's would require that one of the parents have been of the "Pth" generation or, WC or CB (as opposed to CBB). or does my understanding of filial generations need a little more refining? lol
again, beautiful animals!
jb
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Jonathan Brady
My Kingsnake Photo Gallery

They are the product of an unrelated pairing,and,the combination of two distinct traits,and,therefore represent a brand new filial generation involving both.

they are F1's for the trait, but when the morph is not taken into account, they are well beyond F1's, correct?
Thanks!
jb
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Jonathan Brady
My Kingsnake Photo Gallery

No....*lol*(I'm not being rude,or,mean here,but,)they are simply a new generation of animal,therefore F1,if I bred these two together,then those would be F2's from this new divergent line....comprende?

i do not take what you are saying as rude, and i certainly appreciate you taking the time to help me understand this... but i'm still thinking that if you take the morph card out of the picture, then these animals are not F1's. because F1's are the result of breeding WC or CB (again, not CBB) animals together or at least one of the parents is as such. for example, when you breed normal colombians together that are both F3's, the resulting offspring are F4's, correct? if you were to breed an F3 to a Pth generation animals (WC or CB), then the resulting offspring would be F1 (i was told that the offspring are a +1 of the lowest filial generation parent). this is the way i understand it.
therefore, in my way of thinking, i'm seeing the animals as F3 or F4 or whatever the breeding # is up to and i am seeing the mutation as F1. so, if you were to breed these offspring together, the ANIMALS would be F4 or whatever but the expression of the mutation would be F2.

ok, so now, if i'm totally wrong in trying to separate the two (animal and expression of mutation), then i can certainly see exactly what you are saying and just tell me i'm wrong and no futher explanation is necessary. but i'm still thinking (and again, this is based purely on assumption and a tiny bit of reason, albeit not much) that the two are different. i think the animals are F#? and the genetic mutation is at the expression level of F1.

i guess the ultimate question is "are filial generations only counted within the same bloodline"? for example, if i were to breed two animals together, one being an F45 of bloodline X and the other being an F32 of bloodline Y, would the animals be F33's or would they be F1's of bloodline X/Y? i think that's the question that i need answered...? maybe? :-/

... ummm... help? lol

jb
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Jonathan Brady
My Kingsnake Photo Gallery

Just when I thought I lost ya...you pulled through in your last paragraph! and,now we are back at square one...uhh,F one,to the second power,squared(hehe) I now want pie!

Hi great looking snakes by the way! I cant help notice however now that Ive seen a few jungle boas that they look like the same gene. Have you ever tried breeding your harlequins to a jungle? Just curious, they are awesome!

Color me ignorant on the subject......but what is the difference between a Salmon Harlequin and a Salmon Jungle? To me, these look like the Salmon Jungles.

These are absolutely beautiful animals and I would love to own a couple......whatever the technical, scientific description.

I jokingly refer to this one as the"Harlequin heart stopper" (*lol*) when I first saw it,I didn't even think it WAS a salmon...it has an odd expression of the salmon trait,comparatively speaking anyway.To answer your question (Stuart) I've never bred them to "jungles" (yet),only because I don't own any,but,I have noticed several interesting similarities between the two,including the genetic transmission of the traits.(when I first produced them I thought "it" must be recessive,and,the parents were "hets" for whatever "it" was,because they looked"normal"?)To answer Linda's questions...well,all I can say is that the Jungle boas came from Sweden...and,these come from North Carolina!(*lol*)this line originated here,from "normal looking" Colombian boas I purchased from a first-time breeder in Florida,in 93'...was there a "jungle" in the woodpile,so to speak? I'll probably never know for sure??? Last year Dave Barker told me that what I had were variations within the realms of "normal" (or,something to that effect.)another well known breeder claimed that I was "misrepresenting" them because I refused to continue calling them "pastels" (which is what I thought they were originally.)My brother helped prove beyond a shadow of a doubt,(to me anyway)that what we were looking at certainly was not the result of "hit,and,miss" selective breeding,this had an element of consistency,and,was tracable to one bloodline,not 5-7!...so there has been a fair amount of controversy surounding these little curiosities...but,hey...everyone makes mistakes!? I won't call them jungles for the simple reason that I have no substantiated proof,(other than visual,and,transmissive similarities) that a proven "Jungle" bloodline animal was involved in their production...but,every picture tells a story...don't it?

The 2 snakes pictured above look great. I agree these do look similar to jungles but obviously they have a different origin. It will be interesting to see if this line is stronger than the jungles although the jungles do now appear to be being bred in better numbers. Congratulations again. This is another great example of what can from a long term breeding project. Your hard work is surely being rewarded.
Bill kirby

Could they be the same mutation coming from seperate lines? I mean, the same alleles lining up in the same manner that created the same look, just in an altogether different line? Kinda like hypos & salmons. The same trait, just different lineages.
Paul

A similar comparison would be the seemingly spontaneous appearence of something almost identicle to a "Motley" boa,that popped up from supposedly normal boas,unrelated to the proven Motley line(s)last year.prior to that,I would not have thought that to be possible.(although the true genetics remain unproven,as far as I know?)a good point though Paul.

or end up "being"...............they are my new definition of ***EYE CANDY***

CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

holy moley those are incredible! stunning!! n/p
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IF YOU HAVE IT SHOW IT. IF YOU OWN IT FLAUNT IT!!

WHAT MORE CAN YOU SAY

before we see this in SUNGLOW? sunglow harly.... or jungle for that matter would be sweeeeeet.

>>Striped siblings,sexual pair of F1's
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Celia Chien
Celia Chien Photography

I Love Boas

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Thanks,
Darren Hamill

VERY NICE!!

Want to trade one for a baby albino?

Those are spectacular!
-April

np
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You never experience life until you have kids..then you realize what you should have done rather then what you did do