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Ok, blazing blizzards...blizzard is a recessive trait, and albino is a recessive trait, however the chance of blazing blizzards is what? 1/10,000 or smt like that when crossing double hets? Does anyone have any thoughts on why that is? My thoughts are that it perhaps has something to do with linkage or crossing over or maybe there is something that makes it normally fatal and the eggs either don't hatch or don't even develop? I'm just curious about other people's thoughts. Anyone a genetics expert?...lol

Alright the question about gravid female weight. I know it is bad for breeding females to be underweight, however would it also be bad for them to be obese?... I know that in every mammalian species I know of obesety of the pregnant female usually causes birthing difficulties. The extra fat makes it difficult to fit the babies out, and usually the muscles are weaker and contractions aren't as strong. Might this happen in leos or other reptiles too? Does anyone know if the occurance of eggbound leos is more common in very obese females than in females in ideal condition? I'm just curious...lol
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)

not sure about the gravid female... but i asked the same blazing blizzard question a few days ago... it is actually 1/16... but first, you have to cross blizzard with albino. then, breed the offspring of that (they will look normal) to each other or to another blizzard, albino, or hetblizzard or albino. then, the offspring of that will be 1/16 blazing. However, since all albino's eyes are not red... it is even more hard to get the actual blazing blizzard trait... at least thats how i heard it when i asked that question...
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Matt
My Reps:
1.0.0 Brown (Bahaman) Anole
0.1.0 Green Anole
2.1.0 leopard geckos a Norm, an Abberrant, and my newest... a Blizzard!

I understand how to get to what should get you blazing blizz's...I didn't even think of the eye color thing...is that really the only reason blazzers seem less common than they ought to be?...
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)

That's what i was told when i asked a couple days ago...
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Matt
My Reps:
1.0.0 Brown (Bahaman) Anole
0.1.0 Green Anole
2.1.0 leopard geckos a Norm, an Abberrant, and my newest... a Blizzard!

huh...I was thinking about that...but you'd still be able to tell the difference from normal blizzards though wouldn't you? Don't regular blizzards have normal colored eyes? Any albino I've ever seen has had at least light colored eyes. I wouldn't have thought of that as the reason since technically even if they didn't have the red eyes they'd still have the same genetics and would technically be the same morph.
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)

Well, the only thing that destinguishes (sp?) blazing Bliz's is that they are whie, like Bliz's, and they have red eyes... i suppose if the babies of a bliz and an albino crosse, the 1/16 may be possible, but if it was, why would blazing's sell for 12-1500 a peice...i think that some bliz's may have lighter eyes than others, but it is the actual red that makes blazing's so rare...
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Matt
My Reps:
1.0.0 Brown (Bahaman) Anole
0.1.0 Green Anole
2.1.0 leopard geckos a Norm, an Abberrant, and my newest... a Blizzard!

but then couldn't you still sell the double recessives without red eyes at least for a higher price than a normal bliz and if you bred them wouldn't end up getting blazzers somewhere along the line? It is the same genetics...they're just double hets. I've not seen anyone selling or even talking about double recessives unless they have the red eyes...which is really what brought out my original question.
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)

I suppose you could sell the "normal" looking double het's, but then again, i could sell a normal with normal bred parents and say that it was double het for a morph that has only been produces one or 2 times, and sell that for more too... the only thing is that by the time that was ready to breed, it would be too late to brng the fact that the leo you had bought for 2000 was in fact a normal and couldnt do anything... However, it was either kingsnke classifieds, or [bleep] that was selling all different leos... albinos, blizz's, and normals with 66% het for blazing...
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Matt
My Reps:
1.0.0 Brown (Bahaman) Anole
0.1.0 Green Anole
2.1.0 leopard geckos a Norm, an Abberrant, and my newest... a Blizzard!

I wasn't saying the hets...I was saying the actual double RECESSIVES without red eyes. i.e. the blizzards that are also albino...but with light and not red eyes.
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)

I've heard that blizzards are very difficult to combine recessive traits with. I have no idea why and its not just with red eye. Any recessive trait that is bred with blizzards will be very unlikely to show. This is for an unkown reason. Also, on geckogenetics.com calculater, this note appears at the bottom after you calculate any recessive gene with blizzard. "The results of breeders indicate that this combination is far less likely than the genetic probability predicted." So it is just something that has to do with blizzards.

That's what I had thought and why I said perhaps there is something normally fatal about the combination
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)

oh...and how old are the oldest blazing blizzards alive at the moment?...have any died at a young age as of yet?
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)

VMSherp are the only ones that have had any that i know of. They have a pic of their hatchling. I dont know if they have sold any because it was already the end of the season when i got into leos. On their pricelist page they have a picture of one, i was under the impression that they had hatched a few and sold a couple. I've never heard anything about early deaths.

n/p
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Christina

0.3.1 leos (soon to be 1.3.1!)
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-0.0.1 albino (supposed Tremper)(Spitfire)
-soon to be 1.0 tangerine rainwater albino
1.0 australian shepherd/cattle dog (Foster...although he was being fostered before I got him...that has nothing to do with his name...It's after the beer!...lol since he's australian and I'm a college student!)

Could the problem with producing blazing blizzards be that most breeders seem to be crossing blizzards with Trempers?

Are they just as hard to produce when crossing blizzards with rainwaters or bells?

I guess I'm asking does anyone know that the problem lies with the blizzard trait and not the tremper trait?

-Alice