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Tigergenesis Feb 02, 2004 09:22 AM

I'm sold on getting a leopard gecko as my first lizard. I've been reading books, caresheets, posts, etc. and still have a few questions:

1) Am i correct that insects should be both gut-loaded and supplement added?

2) Some of the books I read said to use a calcium supplement free of phosporous every day to e/o day for young and 1-2 times a week for adults. They then said to use a vitamin powder (not on same day as calcium supp) 1 time a week. Is this accurate information? I've found some calcium supplements that I can use, but what are some of the vitamin powders available?

3) What are some possible/good substrate to use?

4) I read the thread below on raising mealworms. Do they smell?

5) Anyone have info on raising silkworms? And again, do they smell?

6) When are leopard geckos considered adults?

7) I've read some problems that can occur with crickets left in the tank and about how you should/could leave a piece of fruit in the tank for the crickets. I'm concerned about this as based on the setup/deco I'm planning there may be plenty of places for crickets to go. Does anyone feed crickets in a separate container? Am I being too paranoid or will adding the fruit really help with that?

8) How long is the shedding process and what are all the signs?

9) Is shedding stressful for leos as is for snakes? Should they not be handled while shedding?

Thanks in advance for any help/advice given.

Have a good day!
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Replies (11)

Tigergenesis Feb 02, 2004 09:23 AM

when I ask if the mealworms and silkworms smell, I mean do they have a strong odor that might be unpleasant.

Also, how often do they tend to urinate/defecate (keep in mind I'm used to snakes and just want to know what to expect).

Thanks again!
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ChuUtena Feb 02, 2004 11:03 AM

I'm just going to throw my two cents in, can't answer the mealworm and silk worm questions though! I work a pet store, so getting buggies for my girls isn't a problem and pretty cheap...anyway here I go.

>>I'm sold on getting a leopard gecko as my first lizard. I've been reading books, caresheets, posts, etc. and still have a few questions:
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>>1) Am i correct that insects should be both gut-loaded and supplement added?
Yeppers! Especially for younger geckos. Gut load at least 24 hours before you feed your leo, and supplement (dust) them 3-4 times a week for younger ones and about 1-2 times a week for adults/older leos.

>>2) Some of the books I read said to use a calcium supplement free of phosporous every day to e/o day for young and 1-2 times a week for adults. They then said to use a vitamin powder (not on same day as calcium supp) 1 time a week. Is this accurate information? I've found some calcium supplements that I can use, but what are some of the vitamin powders available?
I recommend the t-rex brand sandfire leopard gecko supplement. It's made specifically for leos and I only use it. Also there was a post a few days ago and a few other people also mentioned they use this product and only this product. It's wonderful stuff, just kinda hard to find in petstores. I know Petco carries it, and you can order online from them.

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>>3) What are some possible/good substrate to use?
For younger leos don't use sand. Compaction can happen, kinda icky. Some people say use paper towels or newspapers, mainly for easy clean-up. I'm not such a fan of the newspaper because they really can't get much traction. For my babies I've started them out on "lizard carpet" or that astroturff kinda indoor/outdoor carpet. It cleans easy, at least the indoor/outdoor stuff does, and it's inexpensive. The biggest thing to look for is something they can't eat, they can walk on with no problem, and there are no loops in the carpet if that's what you're looking at. They can get the loops caught around their toes, lose circulation, and the toe ends can fall off, not fun for the leos.

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>>4) I read the thread below on raising mealworms. Do they smell?
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>>5) Anyone have info on raising silkworms? And again, do they smell?

Can't help! Sorry! I'm sure someone else can.

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>>6) When are leopard geckos considered adults?
Uhh, at least a year? Anyone have an official age? I generally say when they are full grown they are adults. And depending on care, about of food, quality of food, stuff like that, that's how fast they will grown. But since you said you have snakes you know a little about that already.
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>>7) I've read some problems that can occur with crickets left in the tank and about how you should/could leave a piece of fruit in the tank for the crickets. I'm concerned about this as based on the setup/deco I'm planning there may be plenty of places for crickets to go. Does anyone feed crickets in a separate container? Am I being too paranoid or will adding the fruit really help with that?

Okay. Yes there can be problems, especially with younger ones, with crickets being left in the tank for long periods of time. A few things can happen. First, after about 24 hours, all that gutloading you do it's going to start being used up by the cricket and then they aren't quite so nutritious for your gecko. Second, when they get hungry they like to eat at your lizard. Similar to if you left a mouse/rat in a cage with a snake and the snake wasn't hungry right away. The prey gets hungry, and can munch on your gecko. You can leave pieces of apple or potato in the tank for the crickets, but if they won't be in the tank more than 24 hours (so if there are extras remove them) then it won't be such an issue. Crickets will hide no matter what, they're sneaky like that. What I do is there are a few places I know they hide, so I just go in and move them. Eventually they will get eaten, or they'll die hiding. Generally though, they will leave their hiding place because they are hungry and your gecko will most likely find them then. I did try once to feed my first leo in a separate container. She ate a few, but wasn't too thrilled with the idea of being moved back and forth. Babies don't seem to mind it to much, but my first was 3 or 4 months old when I got her so she didn't like it. You're not being paranoid you're being a new parent!

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>>8) How long is the shedding process and what are all the signs?

Again, you said you've had snakes so you know a little. Leos sometimes even shed so quickly you won't notice until the next morning when there is some shedding in the tank. My first did that so many times I was actually missing the whole process. What happens in the leo skin starts to get pale looking, as the dead skin on top gets whiter the sooner they will shed. Sometimes you have to help them get all the shedding off, but most of the time they're fine. That's why you need a humid hide for them. The humidity will help get the skin off faster. Also soaking them for a few minutes in warm (not hot) water will help get skin off.
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>>9) Is shedding stressful for leos as is for snakes? Should they not be handled while shedding?

That I also don't know. I don't believe it's quite as bad as for snakes, because I know how nasty snakes can get. Honestly when I notice my gecko shedding it's normally right toward the end so handling them never happens. The shedding process doesn't take (or shouldn't take I should say) as long as for snakes. It should be no more than a day and a half to get all that skin off. After that you may need to help.

I hope I helped! I know other people will say other stuff, but these are my recommendations!
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Tigergenesis Feb 02, 2004 12:19 PM

Thanks a lot!

I was hoping to be able to use the same substrate for my Leo as I do for my Ball Python. It's called Lizard Liner and is a green felt like carpet. Doesn't have jagged edges or anything, but I wasn't sure how it would fair with a Leo's toes since my snake doesn't have any - LOL.

I'm so excited about getting a Leo. I volunteer at my local zoo and we have one that I get to work with (actually there are 2 more but they are still in 'training'). I feel in love with him. I absolutely love their eyes.

Thanks again.
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Tigergenesis Feb 02, 2004 01:45 PM

please forgive me, but I seem to keep coming up with questions for which I've not found answers or I just want to verify/confirm the information that I do find.

1) is it true that it is best to not put a leo under 6 inches on sand? don't wanna put mine on it too soon.

2) is it true that they seem to defecate/urinate in the same spots?

3) if/when I do decide to put my leo on sand, what should I look for and stay away from as far as types/brands of sand? I was looking at ZooMed's VitaSand.

Again, any help is greatly appreciated - and I'm sure my future Leo will appreciate it too!
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ChuUtena Feb 02, 2004 02:02 PM

>>please forgive me, but I seem to keep coming up with questions for which I've not found answers or I just want to verify/confirm the information that I do find.
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>>1) is it true that it is best to not put a leo under 6 inches on sand? don't wanna put mine on it too soon.

Pretty much 6 inches is a good size to go with. Again, some people will tell you different things. Some people even say to never put them on sand to reduce all risk of impaction. That's up to you, but I use it and have never had problems.
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>>2) is it true that they seem to defecate/urinate in the same spots?

Yeppers! It's great actually. Saves on cleaning. I've known people to actually just put a paper towel in the spot (a lot of the times it's a corner of the cage/tank) for easy clean up.

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>>3) if/when I do decide to put my leo on sand, what should I look for and stay away from as far as types/brands of sand? I was looking at ZooMed's VitaSand.
I use T-Rex calci-sand. But I've never compared too much. As long as it's a calcium based sand, and not just sand itself you should be okay. You'll have to look for other people for stuff they don't recomend. A lot of stuff will get you almost a dozen different answers. I know someone who has used crushed walnut shells for his geckos 4 year long life. I hate that stuff, but he's never had problems and loves it. So like I said, it all depends on the person.

Tigergenesis Feb 02, 2004 03:39 PM

A lizard that potty-trains itself - this keeps getting better. LOl. You say it seems they go in corners. In your experience do the tend to go in a hide or out in the open? Just curious.

I use the crushed walnut shells for my Kenyan Sand Boa - I like it for him, but not sure I'd want to use for a Leo.

Another question, if I plan to only get 1 Leo and he will have his own enclosure; however, the enclosure will be in the same room as my snakes - do I still need to quarantine my Leo in a separate room? If so, for how long?

Thanks again - you've been such a big help.
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jananicole66 Feb 02, 2004 03:43 PM

i dont think they will go in their hides, because thats where they sleep etc. mine always goes in one corner (or in that general area), and has never gone anywheres else.. kinda neat

i have heard crushes walnut shells are not good for geckos because they can be injested, and then cause impaction. I have no experience with them, so someone else may be able to offer you help with that

and i also dont know about quarinteening, as i only have one leo, and a dog lol

Dedalus Feb 02, 2004 04:52 PM

There shouldn't be a problem with keeping the gecko in the same room as the snakes. But you may want to quarentine just to make sure no inter species virus starts to spread.

Tigergenesis Feb 02, 2004 06:02 PM

I just checked out your website. What a cute bunch! What is the black substrate you use in one of your tanks?
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"Kira"

ChuUtena Feb 02, 2004 09:06 PM

In the bottom of my tank I have the T-rex Bone Aid Calci-Sand. It comes in lots of colors, including glow in the dark. Glow in the dark sand scares me...can't be good. But that's the substrate I use!

-Kristen

Tigergenesis Feb 02, 2004 06:03 PM

Just checked out your website - what a cute bunch! What is the black substrate you use in one of your tanks?
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1.0 Ball Python
"Aragorn"

1.0 Kenyan Sand Boa
"Gimli"

0.1 Australian Cattle Dog/Pointer
"Kira"

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